{grip of chaos}'s effect applies to auras, such as {eldrazi conscription} for example, correct?
Quote from: Noblellama on October 16, 2014, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on October 16, 2014, 09:23:29 AM
{grip of chaos}'s effect applies to auras, such as {eldrazi conscription} for example, correct?
Yes an aura targets on entry so it may instead randomly enchant my bronze sable
That's no longer a bronze sable. It's now Hulk Smash mode...
Quote from: rarehuntertay on October 16, 2014, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Noblellama on October 16, 2014, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on October 16, 2014, 09:23:29 AM
{grip of chaos}'s effect applies to auras, such as {eldrazi conscription} for example, correct?
Yes an aura targets on entry so it may instead randomly enchant my bronze sable
That's no longer a bronze sable. It's now Hulk Smash mode...
😀😀
Quote from: Noblellama on October 16, 2014, 09:42:41 AM
Quote from: E.kann1 on October 16, 2014, 09:23:29 AM
{grip of chaos}'s effect applies to auras, such as {eldrazi conscription} for example, correct?
Yes an aura targets on entry so it may instead randomly enchant my bronze sable
Thought so, thanks.
Bronze sable eldrazi are scary...
The Uril players at my store won't be too happy....
This could be troublesome with a turn 15 destroy target permanent in a two headed giant. How do you target randomly as soon as you can't roll dice??
Quote from: Kaylesh on October 16, 2014, 11:35:30 AM
This could be troublesome with a turn 15 destroy target permanent in a two headed giant. How do you target randomly as soon as you can't roll dice??
Just gonna leave this here.
random.org
And i can't get it to link correctly
Quote from: Kaylesh on October 16, 2014, 11:35:30 AM
This could be troublesome with a turn 15 destroy target permanent in a two headed giant. How do you target randomly as soon as you can't roll dice??
you mean you cant roll a 6 sided cause there are too many permanents? need a 20 sided or even bigger potentially. doubt theres gonna be over a hundred permanents even in an edh game. kinda tedious but you just line everything up, give the first permanent 1, second 2 etc. and then just have the excess die numbers be rerolls.
Quote from: Noblellama on October 16, 2014, 12:47:16 PM
Elbronzi Sabletitan
When we go back to Zendikar this must be a thing.
Shuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PM
Shuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
i think he means two different sleeves/decks being shuffled together. not gonna be random if you can tell which deck its coming from.
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
i think he means two different sleeves/decks being shuffled together. not gonna be random if you can tell which deck its coming from.
That's exactly what I meant.
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
i think he means two different sleeves/decks being shuffled together. not gonna be random if you can tell which deck its coming from.
That's exactly what I meant.
shuffle all targets while someone is not looking, then the one not looking says a number, and you count from top till the number the person said.
Quote from: mickeven on October 16, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
i think he means two different sleeves/decks being shuffled together. not gonna be random if you can tell which deck its coming from.
That's exactly what I meant.
shuffle all targets while someone is not looking, then the one not looking says a number, and you count from top till the number the person said.
seems less efficient than rolling dice.
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: mickeven on October 16, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
i think he means two different sleeves/decks being shuffled together. not gonna be random if you can tell which deck its coming from.
That's exactly what I meant.
shuffle all targets while someone is not looking, then the one not looking says a number, and you count from top till the number the person said.
seems less than efficient than rolling dice.
completely agree. just listing one of the many easy ways to do this because i dont think its an issue at all!
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: mickeven on October 16, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: particle on October 16, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on October 16, 2014, 02:49:42 PMQuote from: griffin131 on October 16, 2014, 02:26:36 PMShuffle all valid targets into a stack. Pick one. Return cards to where they were.
Might be a little difficult if they use sleeves.
Shuffling a sleeved deck is difficult?
Or are you talking about different colored sleeves?
Shuffle without looking at the cards. People do it in commander all the time.
i think he means two different sleeves/decks being shuffled together. not gonna be random if you can tell which deck its coming from.
That's exactly what I meant.
shuffle all targets while someone is not looking, then the one not looking says a number, and you count from top till the number the person said.
seems less efficient than rolling dice.
Lots of people don't have d30s :-)
Split up the rolls.
Say you have a 6 person game, and someone someone late in the game casts {Boomerang} with Grip on a crowded field.
Step 1 - determine the player. Roll a d6 to see which player has one of their permanents bounced.
Step 2 - determine a permanent type. If a d20 isn't enough to random roll this player's permanents, roll another d6 and do something like this:
1-land
2-creature
3-artifact (non creature)
4-enchantment
5-other
6 or any above category the player has none of-reroll
Step 3 - if you've narrowed it down to this point and a 20 sided die still won't work, something very wrong is happening in this game. Roll the d20, or figure something out and mock the guy for having too much crap on the field for this to work :P
Thing with Gonzo's method is not every permanent will have the same chance. Eg I could have one {platinum angel} out and my opponent 20 1/1 critters. The chance my angel gets targeted with a creature spell is 1:2 instead of the 1:21 it should be. Nasty with a {doom blade}
I think the shuffling and counting method is the best.
if i only had a d6
i would just put all valid targets into 6 piles
roll once choose pile
roll again to determine card.
if more than 6 per pile then either
pre roll for choosing first half or second half of pile according to odd or even roll
or assign card 7 be also number 1, card 8 number 2, card 9 number 3 ... etc. (a.k.a. modulo 6)
in other words choose your own adventure -- this is one of those fun problems