This list took down a state championship I'm building it for a tourney on sat any thoughts?
26 LANDS
4 {Temple of Deceit}
4 {Temple of Silence}
4 {Temple of Enlightenment}
3 {Island}
2 {Plains}
2 {Caves of Koilos}
2 {Polluted Delta}
2 {Flooded Strand}
2 {Swamp}
1 {Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth}
4 CREATURES
3 {Nyx-Fleece Ram}
1 {Resolute Archangel}
23 INSTANTS and SORC.
4 {Dissolve}
4 {Hero's Downfall}
4 {Thoughtseize}
3 {End Hostilities}
3 {Divination}
3 {Dig Through Time}
1 {Drown in Sorrow}
1 {Utter End}
7 OTHER SPELLS
3 {Elspeth, Sun's Champion}
3 {Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver}
1 {Jace, the Living Guildpact}
SIDEBOARD
1 {Resolute Archangel}
2 {Drown in Sorrow}
2 {Brimaz, King of Oreskos}
2 {Disdainful Stroke}
1 {Gainsay}
1 {Negate}
2 {Bile Blight}
2 {Banishing Light}
1 {Last Breath}
1 {Deicide}
My thoughts are -1 Jace, -1 Ashiok to +1 Utter End and +1 {Bile Blight}
Also 4 dissolves seems tough in thinking of -4 Dissolves +2 {Disdainful stroke} +1 Bile Blight} (to make 2 MB BBs) and +1 {Divination}
I feel like -2 ram +1 dig and +1 Sphinx are needed. Ram isn't too great, and dig is so good, as is Sphinx.
Quote from: lotrwk on October 15, 2014, 08:23:39 PM
I feel like -2 ram +1 dig and +1 Sphinx are needed. Ram isn't too great, and dig is so good, as is Sphinx.
The thing is is that vs Jeskai Tempo/any burn deck you need to gain some life or else you flat out lose. I've thought about sphinx but I feel like it might be unnecessary. I think I need to add the 4th dig like it's just so good
Except against jeskai wins, they'll just wait and overwhelm you. You don't have quite as much removal as the mardu control deck, but you have the three end hostilities. If you don't draw those, multiple attack a from a big/2 rabble and a mantis rider will kill you. Also, ram can't kill the tokens that rabble makes. That's actually very relevant
Ram is so good tho
2 or 3 on board and doesn't matter much jeskai burns
Quote from: lotrwk on October 15, 2014, 08:50:14 PM
Except against jeskai wins, they'll just wait and overwhelm you. You don't have quite as much removal as the mardu control deck, but you have the three end hostilities. If you don't draw those, multiple attack a from a big/2 rabble and a mantis rider will kill you. Also, ram can't kill the tokens that rabble makes. That's actually very relevant
Valid points but seeing as I run 4 downfalls 3 end 3 (soon to be 4 Digs) I feel like it won't be an issue especially once I add in a bile blight
Seems fine I guess. Not the biggest issue in the world I guess
Quote from: lotrwk on October 15, 2014, 09:51:14 PM
Seems fine I guess. Not the biggest issue in the world I guess
True well I'll be play testing a lot too :D
Yeah, I really think Esper is the way to go. U/b
With Elspeth and wraths better than vault lol
Quote from: lotrwk on October 15, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
Yeah, I really think Esper is the way to go. U/b
With Elspeth and wraths better than vault lol
No kidding lol :P I'm just expecting a lot of Abzan and Green Devotion so I figure that Control will be well suited :P
Not with mono black aggro running around! Muahahahahaha
Quote from: lotrwk on October 15, 2014, 10:05:09 PM
Not with mono black aggro running around! Muahahahahaha
Lol true but I haven't seen any MonoBlack aggro around I'm mostly scared of Jeskai Tempo and Ascendancy Combo
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 15, 2014, 10:07:10 PM
Ascendancy Combo
Thoughtseize is your best friend against this deck.
Quote from: E.kann1 on October 15, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 15, 2014, 10:07:10 PM
Ascendancy Combo
Thoughtseize is your best friend against this deck.
I know but still with Commune and Dig in their deck TSeize might not stop it all together.
I posted my Azorious control deck earlier I believe you commented on it. It was doing well play testing online and with friends topped at a standard tournament Tuesday tonight however the deck flopped. I posted the list I used to top on Tuesday but I was drawing very timely that day as opposed to today couldn't find lands often just unlucky!
Long story short im swapping to esper with the rise of jeskai and abzdan from the pro tour there's just slim to no question esper is better and namely here's why:
{bile blight}
{ashiok, nightmare weaver}
{utter end}
I haven't tested jaces bounce yet how has he been performing in matches for you?
I'd strongly suggest cutting the Rams main board even against jeskai they end up folding I've had opponents waste burn spells picking them off and as previously mentioned they don't actually kill the tokens. Furthermore meek lurker has been way better in the sideboard for me along side a 2 of Rams.
Bile blights kills mantis riders on the draw which is significant alongside rabbles/helps against mono aggro decka which seem to be dying out.
Ashiok, can win against possible control mirrors that may arise on top of unanswered she's always been a house.
Awesome feedback thank you :D and welcome to Esper lol :P but sadly with no sphinxes I feel the need to have Rams the reason I want to keep it is bc well one all the pros run it as a 3 of so it's gotta be good. Also if they go T2 {Rakshasha Deathdealer} or {Fleecemane Lion} all they get is a blocker for a cpl turns so it stalls.
Jace is good but idk how good. I never liked one ofs just never did it for me. His minus is what you want to be using him for tbh the bounce can be insane especially if you have a counter in hand. But tbh I feel like I need Bile Blights main board so we shall see with testing.
{Murk Lurker} is quite interesting so I'll have to give it a shot :D
Remember this isn't my list it was a list off of mtgtop8 that won a state champ so I'm just adjusting it to more of my play style :P
Agree with everything said murk puts a threat on attacks downside of swinging to gain the life however.
Bile blights for sure! The entire reason I'm swapping to esper I saw the Dimir control lists not overally exited about vaults considering esper maintaining dimir shell white for resolute as a one of and 3-4 ends possibly and elspeth but she doesn't seem as overwhelming as last format. With double white it'll tax my land base to play on turns 5-6 :x rough call but going to try it online today.
Do you play in mtgo cockatrice or on untap.in?
Untap.in while on campus cockatrice the few occasions I have free time at home. I'm about to log in a few walking to the lab atm. You on by chance?