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Leylines 60 cards, 0 sideboard 3 {City of Brass} 3 {Petrified Field} 4 {Mana Confluence} 4 {Serra's Sanctum} 14 lands 2 {Opalescence} 4 {Leyline of Sanctity} 3 {Leyline of the Meek} 4 {Serum Powder} 4 {Leyline of Anticipation} 4 {Crop Rotation} 2 {Suppression Field} 4 {Idyllic Tutor} 4 {Leyline of Punishment} 3 {Leyline of Vitality} 4 {Leyline of the Void} 3 {Leyline of Lifeforce} 1 {Helm of Obedience} 4 {Enlightened Tutor} 46 other spells 3 {Wrath of God} 4 {Orim's Chant} just added 4 {Ghostly Prison} 1 {Holy Day} 2 {Innocent blood} Sideboard Notes: It's an absolutely stupidly wonderful deck. It's perfect for my playstyle. looking for sideboard help

Looks like it should be in casual.

Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 04, 2014, 08:12:55 PM
Looks like it should be in casual.

Believe it or not it's a legitimate deck and was doing pretty well at an SCG event. So far it only has a lot of trouble with elves.

I could explain how the deck works if you want me to

This is a real Legacy deck, called "Leyline Deck Wins". Essentially, you drop as many leylines as you can (after aggressively mulliganning with {Serum Powder}), drop {Serra's Sanctum} and then {Opalescence}. Untap, beat with leylines, win. Granted this isn't an optimized version, it is still a semi-competitive Legacy deck.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 04, 2014, 09:24:41 PM
This is a real Legacy deck, called "Leyline Deck Wins". Essentially, you drop as many leylines as you can (after aggressively mulliganning with {Serum Powder}), drop {Serra's Sanctum} and then {Opalescence}. Untap, beat with leylines, win. Granted this isn't an optimized version, it is still a semi-competitive Legacy deck.

Yeah I know it's not an optimised version. It's been running well though. Just can't beat elves

Yeah, pretty cool idea. Also does well against burn, dredge, ANT, and a few others because of the main deck hate cards  {Leyline of the Void},  {Leyline of Sanctity}.

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
Dafaq is wrong with legacy for this to be a thing?

Think about it: you drop a bunch of leylines into play (that they can't counter, just begin in play). You have {Leyline of Sanctity} and {Leyline of the Void} against combo. You drop a turn 1 {Serra's Sanctum} and turn 2 land, making you practically immune to soft counters when dropping your {Opalescence} and if you get {Force of Will}ed, you use tutors to find another one. {Supression Field} can come down T1 locking your opponent out of lands potentially and if you lose {Serra's Sanctum} you can use {Petrified Field} to get it back. Being in white gives you a lot of sideboard options, like {Oblivion Ring} against Show and Tell and if you run a really streamlined version of the deck (meaning like 5 lands), you can even board in {Goblin Charbelcher} potentially getting a turn 2 or 3 win. The deck has potential to ambush a meta and can get you a lot of game ones out of pure confusion. The biggest problem with the deck is sideboarding. What do you run? From what I have seen people try either things way out of left field or just board in a Stoneblade package. I really like your idea of {Mana Confluences} mainboard, I haven't seen it before. Suggestion: cut {Plains} and play {City of Brass}, then SB or MB {Pact of Negation}s. Lastly, I have been debating making this deck, and I would love to hear your thoughts on it, especially sideboard wise.

Oh, and why {Helm of Obedience}?

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 04, 2014, 11:23:24 PM
Oh, and why {Helm of Obedience}?

Instant kill with  {Leyline of the Void}

Quote from: Falcon182 on August 04, 2014, 11:31:44 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 04, 2014, 11:23:24 PM
Oh, and why {Helm of Obedience}?

Instant kill with  {Leyline of the Void}

LOL, and tutorable with {Enlightened Tutor}, that's great. Another thing I would like to suggest: {Gemstone Caverns} to turn 0 {Crop Rotation}--->{Serra's Sanctum}. {Privileged Position} and {Sterling Grove} also provide protection. Lastly, {Chancellor of the Annex} was a 4 of in a SCG top 8 sideboard, a cool idea against counterspells.

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 11:48:18 PM
I know how it works, and seems like a really good deck.  But seriously?  An all leyline deck?  So stupid!

Yeah....andmilling yourself then saccing flying jellyfish to reanimate an angel so you can tap a maniac and win isn't....that's legacy for you.

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 11:52:26 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 04, 2014, 11:50:14 PM

Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 11:48:18 PM
I know how it works, and seems like a really good deck.  But seriously?  An all leyline deck?  So stupid!

Yeah....andmilling yourself then saccing flying jellyfish to reanimate an angel so you can tap a maniac and win isn't....that's legacy for you.

Hey!  I didn't play that style!  I played the flayer-grave troll version.  Either way it doesn't seem as stupid as this.

What's more stupid, playing Leylines or getting beat down by animated Leylines? You be the judge.

This is way less casual than most of the other budget stuff posted here, so it belongs. Real enough deck, though it may be softer to force than Enchantress.

I believe a list similar to this was featured at an SCG open a week or two ago, it stomped some D+T build from what I remember.

Quote from: ihasfrozen on August 05, 2014, 07:29:15 AM
This is way less casual than most of the other budget stuff posted here, so it belongs. Real enough deck, though it may be softer to force than Enchantress.

I believe a list similar to this was featured at an SCG open a week or two ago, it stomped some D+T build from what I remember.

Yep. I noticed that a couple days ago and saw my legacy deck coming in to relevancy

I was thinking about adding Chancellor of the Annex but I don't know where it would fit

Well I just went to my LGS for a legacy tournament. Pulled home fifth.
Game 1, Death And taxes
There wasn't a whole lot the guy could do. Game one I exiled 2 hands and ended up with 4 Leylines, a sanctum, Idyllic Tutor, and Enlightened tutor. I proceeded to beat him to death with leylines. Gave two I only had 3 leylines in hand with a sanctum, a field, a confluence and a crop rotation. I drew into a helm of obedience and milled him out turn 4
2-0 v death'n taxes

Game two, All in marit Lage. 2-1
This guy needed things that he didn't get. He couldn't get his vampire hexmage out at all. It was really sad. He did get it out game two and t1 laged me. But yeah. Game three was stupid. 6 Leyline hand. 1 sanctum. Drew into idyllic tutor and t3 slapped him for lethal.

2-1 all in marit Lage

Game three. Eternal Garden 1-2
I couldn't get a tutor for the life of me. By the time I had my leylines become creatures he had glacial chasm up and running. I got laged

Game two I had 2 leylines on board at the beginning. It was Leyline of pubishment and Leyline of the void.
I ended up helm of obediencing him for his library.

Game three he k gripped my leylines then kicked me in the face with a lage token

Match four. Elves 0-2
This was embarrassing. I got face rolled so hard. Game one his deck was on the field and I couldn't do anything about it.

Game 2 he did the sane as game 1. I just got face rolled.

Match 5. Reanimator 2-0
Let's put it this way. He conceded when he saw Leyline of the void t0.
Same thing happened game 2

Match 6. Burn. 2-0
Hehe. Leyline of sanctity t1 both games after voracious mulligans.

All in all I had some fun. Great deck to play. Still need sideboard advice

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 01:51:47 PM
Still really stupid that it's a thing, but it looks like it has all of the answers. :P

Yep. It's fun. I play this deck, Cheerios, and Lands for legacy

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 01:51:47 PM
Still really stupid that it's a thing, but it looks like it has all of the answers. :P

By your logic taysby it is really stupid that every deck is a thing. The thing I like the best about magic is there are limitless deck possibilities. I don't particularly like the concept of tron, but I won't say that it's stupid. The only difference between leylines and tron is you like tron and you don't like leylines. Doesn't make it stupid.

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 08:05:59 PM
Leylines are already viewed as mostly crap.  over priced, and what are the odds they would be in your starting hand?  then take them, fill a deck up with them, and turn it into a turn 2 kill?  that's a stupid deck.  There are few decks that are "just stupid".

Yeah. It's stupid. I like it like that

Lol Taysby quit hating lol its like youre saying that you don't like tier 2 decks even though that's what Tron is :P

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 05, 2014, 08:37:15 PM
Lol Taysby quit hating lol its like youre saying that you don't like tier 2 decks even though that's what Tron is :P

It's a fun deck

What's the definition of a stupid deck? One that takes a bunch of cards that are generally viewed as crap and turn them into a turn two kill? I call that strategy, and being resourceful. If you have fun with the deck you play it doesn't matter if the cards are 'generally viewed as crap'. If you don't like leylines then you don't like leylines. It doesn't mean the whole concept is stupid or flawed. The same goes for tron. If you like it then you like it. It doesn't make it the best thing since sliced bread, just your personal favourite. Not trying to hate on Taysby, I've just been seeing a lot of people lately take their personal opinion and try and preach it as gospel.

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 09:31:02 PM
I don't know what makes a "stupid deck", I just know it when I see it.

And I'm not saying this deck is bad.  It looks really good, which is part of the reason why it's stupid.

Do you even play legacy? Half the decks are stupid. Isn't that the point of legacy? The beauty of any combo deck is the stupidity. You play a fairly simple modern deck that requires some know how to get to work. I play a legacy deck that makes people laugh at me. There.

Quote from: Munchlax on August 05, 2014, 10:05:18 PM

Quote from: Taysby on August 05, 2014, 09:31:02 PM
I don't know what makes a "stupid deck", I just know it when I see it.

And I'm not saying this deck is bad.  It looks really good, which is part of the reason why it's stupid.

Do you even play legacy? Half the decks are stupid. Isn't that the point of legacy? The beauty of any combo deck is the stupidity. You play a fairly simple modern deck that requires some know how to get to work. I play a legacy deck that makes people laugh at me. There.

This. Let's look at the other decks in legacy:
Eternal Garden-I play too many lands and beat you with an Avatar token
Sneak and Show-I cheat some ridiculous fatty into play and win.
Oops All Spells- I mill myself, sac jellyfish, reanimate an Angel and win?
Delver-I turn a wizard into a giant bug and play a few other good creatures.
Doomsday-A storm deck that wins with a spreadsheet and sideboard cards.
Miracle-Hope to god to tell deck everything, library manipulation helps.
Cherrios- I cantrip with zero drop creatures and use Goblin Bushwhacker as a win con.
Not to mention Titan Post, High Tide, Belcher....the point is legacy is weird, and fun of stupid decks.

You guys don't see the big picture. Taysby built stoneblade. How is that supposed to beat this if can't force if will until he drops a stonefirge and wins??? That's why he thinks the deck is stupid.

Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 06, 2014, 11:24:55 PM
You guys don't see the big picture. Taysby built stoneblade. How is that supposed to beat this if can't force if will until he drops a stonefirge and wins??? That's why he thinks the deck is stupid.

Yeah. I need sideboard tech against stone blade still

Quote from: Taysby on August 07, 2014, 02:55:57 AM

Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 06, 2014, 11:24:55 PM
You guys don't see the big picture. Taysby built stoneblade. How is that supposed to beat this if can't force if will until he drops a stonefirge and wins??? That's why he thinks the deck is stupid.

You are behind the times.  I ditched stoneblade and went all in on uw miracles.

And that might be it, a deck that wins without allowi any chance to respond from your opponent.  You're a genius!

So you listened to me good job!

By going with either miracles or stoneblade rather than trying to combine them into one deck

I'm totally building this deck 😼

Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on August 09, 2014, 08:50:13 PM
I'm totally building this deck 😼

Good luck getting the sanctums. That's all I have to say about that. Took me awhile

Just won with this... it was hilarious.

Quote from: E.kann1 on August 09, 2014, 09:37:06 PM
Just won with this... it was hilarious.

What's your sideboard look like?

Don't have one, I just copied and pasted the decklist into untap.in :P

Quote from: E.kann1 on August 09, 2014, 11:16:52 PM
Don't have one, I just copied and pasted the decklist into untap.in :P

Ah

Thinking of {Ghostly prison} and {Elephant Grass} for sideboard because I get screwed by aggro decks

Why not  {Ensnaring Bridge} in sideboard? Especially if your able to dump most of your hand early on?

Quote from: TheRecklessPlaneswalker on August 10, 2014, 03:05:21 PM
Why not  {Ensnaring Bridge} in sideboard? Especially if your able to dump most of your hand early on?

You have a fair point. I'll use that over the elephant grass

Must start building deck!

Quote from: Taysby on August 10, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
And even though it's stupid, i'm going to try it on untap.in because stupid is fun for the person playing it.  :)

Lol

Tbh thinking about this deck made me realize it's power ...

Vs. counter decks it's good bc Leylines can't be countered.

Vs. dredge you win of you have LotV

Vs. Tendrils/TPS you win if you have Sanctity

So it is a pretty cool deck!!

I am seriously considering building this ... It looks like so much fun!!!

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 17, 2014, 08:06:16 PM
I am seriously considering building this ... It looks like so much fun!!!

It's pretty dumb. It's only really weak to a few decks. Also it's hilarious to watch the opponent side out FOW and various other counterspells because they're dead cards against this deck

Quote from: Munchlax on August 17, 2014, 10:31:44 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 17, 2014, 08:06:16 PM
I am seriously considering building this ... It looks like so much fun!!!

It's pretty dumb. It's only really weak to a few decks. Also it's hilarious to watch the opponent side out FOW and various other counterspells because they're dead cards against this deck

Ummm Force of Will and Daze are the best cards against this deck! Opalesence is a spell after all lol

Quote from: #millsux! on August 17, 2014, 10:44:28 PM
Straight up loses to the all land deck and blood moon.  Yes, you have o ring.  Good luck playing it with only 14 lands in the deck.

True but you have to play around that!

Quote from: #millsux! on August 17, 2014, 10:46:18 PM
How?  It comes down on their t1.

That's why FoW is amazing ... Daze is obviously better on the play for them but still can be good :P

I don't think daze is a hoser. With serra sanctum you will prolly have the mana to pay for daze.

Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 18, 2014, 12:42:25 AM
I don't think daze is a hoser. With serra sanctum you will prolly have the mana to pay for daze.

You'd think that but in my games I've only had 3-4 Leylines so unless you have another land daze can be bad

And Taysby I'm saying that the opponents FoW hoses the dexk

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 18, 2014, 01:34:54 AM
And Taysby I'm saying that the opponents FoW hoses the dexk

Surprisingly it doesn't do as much as you'd think. Usually daze doesn't do anything and FOW can't counter the leylines so I'm always able to tutor for a new combo piece.

Quote from: Munchlax on August 18, 2014, 07:56:25 AM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 18, 2014, 01:34:54 AM
And Taysby I'm saying that the opponents FoW hoses the dexk

Surprisingly it doesn't do as much as you'd think. Usually daze doesn't do anything and FOW can't counter the leylines so I'm always able to tutor for a new combo piece.

I'm just saying in my experience the FoW is what kills us having to re draw or search for a combo piece is very hard sometimes

This is incredibly fun

Quote from: Vindog on August 21, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
This is incredibly fun

Ya I know right!

I must build one of these... How much money is this?

Quote from: L Lawliet, Master Sleuth on August 21, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
I must build one of these... How much money is this?

Depends on the build. 4x {Serra's Sanctum}+4x {Leyline of Sanctity}+X {Enlightened Tutor} are the biggest part of your budget though.

Edit: here is a decklist from TCG (with prices and stuff) http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=1129157

450 ish. I got one of the sanctums at a garage sale so mine was more around 400.

Just watched a few games online of people playing this deck. I'm sold on it, I will be looking for these pieces cause sadly I don't own any of the staple cards lol.

i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 10:45:40 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

storm can beat sanctity by just making tons of goblins

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 10:45:40 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

storm can beat sanctity by just making tons of goblins

True but not all lists run ETW :p

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 11:03:22 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 10:45:40 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

storm can beat sanctity by just making tons of goblins

True but not all lists run ETW :p

That and Leylines are faster, plus can block Goblins

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 23, 2014, 01:12:22 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 11:03:22 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 10:45:40 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

storm can beat sanctity by just making tons of goblins

True but not all lists run ETW :p

That and Leylines are faster, plus can block Goblins

I finally got the sideboard picked out and it can stop that completely. {Wrath Of God} is sideboarded now.

Quote from: Munchlax on August 23, 2014, 01:23:28 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 23, 2014, 01:12:22 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 11:03:22 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 10:45:40 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

storm can beat sanctity by just making tons of goblins

True but not all lists run ETW :p

That and Leylines are faster, plus can block Goblins

I finally got the sideboard picked out and it can stop that completely. {Wrath Of God} is sideboarded now.

What's the official board

Quote from: Vindog on August 23, 2014, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: Munchlax on August 23, 2014, 01:23:28 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 23, 2014, 01:12:22 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 11:03:22 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 22, 2014, 10:45:40 PM

Quote from: particle on August 22, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
i just love that is swings for 12-20 on turn 2 with the right hand. and so few decks can interact on turn 2. i mean some decks like storm could care less but it seems like it crushes most creature decks.

If you have {Leyline of Sanctity} out Storm gets wrecked! Lol

Also T1 on the play you can swing bc the Leylines were out b4 your 1st turn!!!

storm can beat sanctity by just making tons of goblins

True but not all lists run ETW :p

That and Leylines are faster, plus can block Goblins

I finally got the sideboard picked out and it can stop that completely. {Wrath Of God} is sideboarded now.

What's the official board

3 {Wrath of God}
4 {Orim's Chant} just added
4 {Ghostly Prison}
1 {Holy Day}
2 {Innocent blood}
The blood is against stoneblade.

Wrath wl kill your leylines tho that are creatures ,

Quote from: Dstyle1 on August 24, 2014, 08:03:40 AM
Wrath wl kill your leylines tho that are creatures ,

I don't play the opal essence until I know I can swing in for the kill. So the wraths will Wrath the opponents board and then I kill then

Quote from: Taysby on August 24, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Wreaths don't happen until turn 3-4 (if they even have wraths). They should be dead by that time.

I have some in the sideboard.

Quote from: Taysby on August 24, 2014, 07:38:07 PM
I thought we were talking about the opponents wraths, my apologies.

Is fine sir