Oh look. 11/12 fraudulent applications were accepted even when they didn't provide the requested documents. They try and make it sound like 11/12 applications is fraudulent which is incorrect.
http://fxn.ws/1rHNEw6
Don't give me crap about it being Fox News. Just listen to the facts at the beginning and ignore the commentary if you don't like fox.
Yeah, I don't like Obamacare. But y'know what? Obamas plan was good, congress fucked it up. You can't blame him.
Also the insurance union pretty much wrote it. So they made it mandatory for everyone to have insurance... Look at that, who do you think put that .poo in
Quote from: Taysby on July 27, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Who said I was blaming Obama?
And how did congress screw it up. Most people hadn't even read it when they signed it. And most of the law comes through the interpretation of it through unelected government officials. I fail to see how this is the democrats or republics in congresses fault.
Obamas original plan was good. Then congress changed it up until it was crap.
Quote from: Taysby on July 27, 2014, 02:24:40 PM
How did they change it mlerner?
Changed what it did.
Quote from: Taysby on July 27, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 27, 2014, 12:38:04 PM
Quote from: Taysby on July 27, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
Who said I was blaming Obama?
And how did congress screw it up. Most people hadn't even read it when they signed it. And most of the law comes through the interpretation of it through unelected government officials. I fail to see how this is the democrats or republics in congresses fault.
Obamas original plan was good. Then congress changed it up until it was crap.
And still, is that an excuse to keep it? It needs to be repealed or overhauled.
No, but it sounded like you were blaming Obama. :P
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 27, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
Yeah, I don't like Obamacare. But y'know what? Obamas plan was good, congress fucked it up. You can't blame him.
Haha Mlerner came back to the forum with sass :P
Quote from: Silent1236 on July 27, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 27, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
Yeah, I don't like Obamacare. But y'know what? Obamas plan was good, congress fucked it up. You can't blame him.
Haha Mlerner came back to the forum with sass :P
"I'm a strong, black woman and I don't need no man!"
Quote from: Taysby on July 27, 2014, 09:37:09 PM
How did it sound like I was blaming Obama? I didn't want to type out "the affordable health care act fraud" because it's much longer.
Eh, just the general way people talk about this stuff with me makes it a natural assumption.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 27, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
Yeah, I don't like Obamacare. But y'know what? Obamas plan was good, congress fucked it up. You can't blame him.
This is always the case with socialism. They say it will be good, then it suck. Every fickung time.
And btw it was not the congress which fucked up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.
Quote from: Piotr on July 31, 2014, 04:16:33 AM
And btw it was not the congress which fucked up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.
Obama is not forcing socialism on us! And I kindly request you stop referring to iMtG law as the "logic of reality", if I understand you. I'm giving that to the laws of science and math.
Quote from: Piotr on July 31, 2014, 04:16:33 AM
And btw it was not the congress which fucked up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.
You are right socialism doesn't work reality. But no system does.
Quote from: Rass on July 31, 2014, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: Piotr on July 31, 2014, 04:16:33 AM
And btw it was not the congress which fucked up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.
You are right socialism doesn't work reality. But no system does.
You got it. In reality, no form of government works in a way so that everyone is happy.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
Quote from: Rass on July 31, 2014, 12:51:34 PM
Quote from: Piotr on July 31, 2014, 04:16:33 AM
And btw it was not the congress which fucked up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.
You are right socialism doesn't work reality. But no system does.
You got it. In reality, no form of government works in a way so that everyone is happy.
So because one system makes 5-10 % of the people unhappy, it's just fine to use the systtem that makes no one happy?
No system makes that few people unhappy.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 04:18:04 PM
Very few people are not ok with the currect system. There are some who want to change it, but it's not like they think the current system is the sum of the earth, and capitalism is the most sucky thing ever, etc.
If you mean the American system, a lot of people are unhappy with it... Way more than 10%.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
Do you get my point though? the vast majority doesn't think it's the scum of the earth. As opposed to socialism, which a lot more people hate than the current system.
Not really. A pretty good amount dislike capitalism, and people don't think socialism is the scum of the earth.
People like anarchy and systems like North Koreas less
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
excatly. so we should go to something people like less because of a couple of exceptions with the current system? dafuq is this logic?
That's not what I'm saying. How is that at all what I'm saying?
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
The current system needs to be fixed, so lets head in the socialism system with high taxes on the rich, public healthcare, etc.
Is that ever what I said? No.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 08:17:05 PM
You are advocating for changing the current system with public healthcare. ObamaCare. That raises the taxes on the rich so they won't be "selfish" and help the poor people. That is what you've been saying, if not in those exact words.
No. That's not what I'm saying or agree with beside carols.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 08:37:01 PM
So you don't think government should provide healthcare?
It should. Just not the way Obamacare does it.
Quote from: Taysby on July 31, 2014, 04:18:04 PM
Very few people are not ok with the currect system. There are some who want to change it, but it's not like they think the current system is the sum of the earth, and capitalism is the most sucky thing ever, etc.
Are you kidding me? Go to any factory worker or blue collar .poo. even some white collar workers. Ask them. The reason why you don't hear that this system isn't working is that is cost money to be televised or put on the radio. Do you understand it takes money to make money.
Quote from: Taysby on August 01, 2014, 02:51:13 AM
Yes I do. I plan on opening a business. I know that stuff. Anyone can do it if they set their mind to it, or they could be happy with their 70k a year jobs, or whatever.
And by hate, I mean think it's the devil spawn. Vey few people think it's that bad. There is a larger portion that thinks it could use some change, but are generally ok with it.
Sure 70k job would be nice. But not everyone can just get one. Why do you think all these employees were trying to do walk outs at fast food restaurants. 70k in major cities (New York, Chicago, San Diego ) really doesn't get you that far. Look at the average median income. http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/17/news/economy/poverty-income/ that off sets the one person who make 5o million to how many people who only make 30k. Look at CEO's that get severance pay in the millions but they will just lay off the common worker and they have to fight to get unemployment. http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/19/news/companies/target-ceo-pay/
Quote from: Taysby on August 01, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
If someone plans to flip burgers for a living,they need to reevaluate their life.
This may be the most disgustingly ignorant comment I have ever seen in my years on the internet, ever. Taysby, while I normally do not agree with your political ideas, I can respect your opinions. However, such an ignorant statement like the one above I cannot respect or pretend to pass off. Did you ever think that there are people less fortunate than you who would love to have a job, even something as base as flipping burgers for minimum wage? News flash: there are millions.
Disappointed by that statement, Taysby.
What if all your community offered as work and advancement was that?
Not everyone grows up a kid educated by a decent education system in the suburbs. You can't blame someone for being born into poverty
Quote from: Taysby on August 01, 2014, 07:26:43 PM
Or getting a different job where you can work up.
Sadly we don't live in a world where the disenfranchised get to pick and choose jobs so flippantly. That's how our system works, for better or for worse. Sorry to burst your bubble there Taysby.
Hey rice plantation worker in Asia, should've went to school for Wall Street
Quote from: Taysby on August 01, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
By blue color, I assumed you didn't mean mcdonalds. If someone plans to flip burgers for a living,they need to reevaluate their life.
See before people working at "fast food" restaurants could make a decent living. Look at all the diners that were on Route 66. The owners cared about there employees. Then the 80's cam and greed became good.
Now we need people to flip burgers, pick up trash, bag groceries. Why can't they make a decent living? I'm not saying pay them a 100k a year but why not enough money and health care to raise a family. If more businesses had to give health care Obamacare would be irreverent. But to make more money for CEO's they keep cutting benefits from the guys on the bottom.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 31, 2014, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: Piotr on July 31, 2014, 04:16:33 AM
And btw it was not the congress which .loved. up Obama care. The logic of reality did. Socialism does not work in reality.
Obama is not forcing socialism on us! And I kindly request you stop referring to iMtG law as the "logic of reality", if I understand you. I'm giving that to the laws of science and math.
So do I, and according to these Obamacare is illegal. What are your definitions of 'property', 'owner' and 'steal'?
According to logic of reality, I am the 'property' of myself as 'owner', true or false?
Quote from: Taysby on August 02, 2014, 02:16:02 AM
The can still do good in school and get a scholarship to somewhere good. Being born in a poor family is no excuse.
Then why is it more people that go to affluent collages come from families that have a good income?
Taysby. I think you do not understand what it is being poor. When someone who is poor and works in high school sometimes there money needs to be spent on food or helping out their family. Not I'm poor so give me a break on these foil magic cards.
Quote from: Taysby on August 02, 2014, 02:17:23 AM
Businesses don't fire someone so their CEO can make more money. They do what's best for the company. If someone is unnecessary, why should they be working for the company's. And the smart CEOs invest that money back into the company to grow it.
Kinda like if your leg is horribly infected you get it amputated
Quote from: Taysby on August 02, 2014, 09:26:53 AM
The can still educate themselves while in high school if they're poor, or get a job during high school to pay for college. (That would be flipping burgers)
Read and digest it.
Quote from: Rass on August 02, 2014, 08:17:55 AM
~~~~~~~~~>Taysby. I think you do not understand what it is being poor. When someone who is poor and works in high school sometimes there money needs to be spent on food or helping out their family. <~~~~~~~~<
You have never been around real poor people. You CAN NOT just say hey go educate yourself. That option is not always available. I was lucky. Hard work and ~~~>opturnity<~~~~~ I was able to successful.
Quote from: Rass on August 02, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: Taysby on August 02, 2014, 09:26:53 AM
The can still educate themselves while in high school if they're poor, or get a job during high school to pay for college. (That would be flipping burgers)
Read and digest it.
Quote from: Rass on August 02, 2014, 08:17:55 AM
~~~~~~~~~>Taysby. I think you do not understand what it is being poor. When someone who is poor and works in high school sometimes there money needs to be spent on food or helping out their family. <~~~~~~~~<
You have never been around real poor people. You CAN NOT just say hey go educate yourself. That option is not always available. I was lucky. Hard work and ~~~>opturnity<~~~~~ I was able to successful.
It's like arguing with a boulder 😝
He's never going to understand it, I don't think. More's the pity...
100% in agreement with you here Rass.
I wasn't born into a wealthy family, but I was born into a rich family; a family rich in ideals. My parents worked their whole lives from dirt poor to middle class while raising two children. It's that integral drive that people lack. If poorer people truly want to advance in life, then they will. Of course this is not a garuntee, if you think anything in life that is good is garunteed you need to change your outlook. Anyways, as for myself, I work hard, not because I have to but because I want to succeed. I'm a straight A student with a 4.1 GPA(It will get higher as all of my classes next year are college classes) I run varsity track and cross country and went to state in track last season, do odd jobs around the neighborhood, work on a farm, am an Eagle Scout, traveled/studied abroad in Europe, and am finishing up my applications to the Naval Academy. You can't tell me that all of that was handed to me, because I can damn well tell you it wasn't.There are always hardships and obstacles that you will have to face in life. I work hard because I know that if I don't, I will never succeed. I raised the 10,000 or so dollars to go to Europe, I ran nearly 5 miles everyday so I could be varsity, I study and work diligently so I can be in the top of my class... You don't have to be wealthy to succeed, but you have to be rich, rich in values. When opportunity if put in front of you, seize it my friends...(end rant)
Also, to put this thread back on topic, for my family, we don't get a choice on the coverage obamacare gives us, and it's less than we had before for nearly 80% more that we have to pay, so we didn't sign up(even though you're illegally forced to)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on August 01, 2014, 07:34:34 PM
What if all your community offered as work and advancement was that?
Do what I did. Move :p
Quote from: Muggywuggy on August 01, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
Not everyone grows up a kid educated by a decent education system in the suburbs. You can't blame someone for being born into poverty
I can't blame them for that, but I can blame them for doing nothing to lift themselves, or for forcing others to help them.
Ok this is where you have to go to your basic beliefs. I believe people should be able to get affordable education,housing, and healthcare. This is where it gets really tricky. Affordable to me is different then affordable to others. All three will help out in the long run.
Affordable education. If people are able to get an education they have more options. They will make more educated decisions.
Affordable housing. They will have something that is theirs. Which they will want to take care of. They will be more likely take care of the property if they own it then just rent.
Affordable healthcare. The most expensive part of healthcare is emergency services. People who do not have healthcare have to wait until things get bad before they can get survives. Something that could have been fixed by a doctor visit now is a lot worse and a lot more expensive.
What about me taysby? I'm on government provided healthcare because my income isn't steady enough or large enough to afford healthcare. I work construction, so if I get hurt I don't make money. If I can't make money and can't afford healthcare when I get hurt I'm very screwed. Obamacare helps...
Quote from: Rass on August 03, 2014, 11:00:30 AM
Ok this is where you have to go to your basic beliefs.
Splendid, I believe that goal does not justify the means.
In other words, that you cannot do evil* in the name of good without punishment.
* objective evil can be defined as doing to others something which they don't and wouldn't want to be done to themselves, such as killing them, or stealing from them, or extorting money from them, or forcing them to support wars they don't believe in.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 03, 2014, 11:55:19 AM
What about me taysby? I'm on government provided healthcare because my income isn't steady enough or large enough to afford healthcare. I work construction, so if I get hurt I don't make money. If I can't make money and can't afford healthcare when I get hurt I'm very screwed. Obamacare helps...
What sort of healthcare are you talking about? {Obamacare} is about sustainability, about stagnation, about technological flatline. In medical services more than in any other business technology matters. Until your medics were free to medic, and insurance companies were free to insure as requested by their free customers, USA had the best medical technology and the progress was much better than it is now. When you get cancer, it doesn't matter if you get {{Obamacare}} or not, you die in any case. What we need is cure for cancer, Alzheimers, a bunch of other, ability to sustain our white cells producing stem-cells, and we can live past 200 on then-current technology. Obamacare will only delay this, and a lot of people will die of 'old age' - which will be seen as curable diseases a few decades later. The more Obamacare, the later, as historical evidence confirms.
{Obamacare} links to {Backfire} 😝
Quote from: Spencer Addington on August 03, 2014, 11:55:19 AM
What about me taysby? I'm on government provided healthcare because my income isn't steady enough or large enough to afford healthcare. I work construction, so if I get hurt I don't make money. If I can't make money and can't afford healthcare when I get hurt I'm very screwed. Obamacare helps...
There was already assistance in California called medi-cal. It wasn't forced on you, but there for those who needed it. Obama care has only made insurance costs go up and coverage for tons of people who where perfectly content with what the had tone forced into lesser policies and coverages.
My wive's coverage through work used to be FREE, but in the last two years it's went up to 300 a month. They had to charge the employees because their healthcare costs more than doubled in a two year period. My health coverage went up 33% last year and expect that big of an increase or more this year. How is this affordable??
Obamacare has helped a few,but has negatively impacted many. Along with the cost, what about our freedom to choose? Having the choice between buying insurance or being taxed is unamerican.
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
Would you look at that. I just got an email from the business I work for saying their price for insurance just went up 3% just because of ObamaCare. And they are really getting the same coverage as last year. Affordable, riiiiiiiiight...
be happy it's 3, I'm looking at another 33%...
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
Would you look at that. I just got an email from the business I work for saying their price for insurance just went up 3% just because of ObamaCare. And they are really getting the same coverage as last year. Affordable, riiiiiiiiight...
I thought you were like 15-16!
Quote from: blackychan1 on August 04, 2014, 07:44:15 PM
Quote from: Taysby on August 04, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
Would you look at that. I just got an email from the business I work for saying their price for insurance just went up 3% just because of ObamaCare. And they are really getting the same coverage as last year. Affordable, riiiiiiiiight...
I thought you were like 15-16!
Well if he is still in school and full time student he can still be insured on his parents until 26. F-cking obama