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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Richardalcala on April 08, 2012, 04:35:34 PM

Title: Rooftop storm
Post by: Richardalcala on April 08, 2012, 04:35:34 PM
Ok I know it has been brought up before. Can I put infinite counters on {grimgrin courpse Bourne} if I have {grave crawler} and {rooftop storm} in play. I am sure this is yes however my friend would not belive me. If possible could I get a judge or BJ to answer. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: BlackJester on April 08, 2012, 05:05:32 PM
Well, I hope being a Rules Adviser will be sufficient, but yes, you can do this.  {Rooftop Storm} lets you cast Zombies for 0 mana.  {Gravecrawler} can be cast from your graveyard, as long as you control a zombie.  {Grimgrin, Corpse-born}'s ability let's you sacrifice a creature to put a counter on him and untap him.  All good.

The confusion might be in the fact that you can attempt to untap an untapped creature.  If it is part of the resolution of a spell or ability, there's no problem.  It just does nothing instead.  You can't tap a tapped creature or untap an untapped one as part of a cost, though.
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: Richardalcala on April 08, 2012, 05:12:02 PM
So if I understand correctly u can still sac a creature even though he is untapped it just won't do anything but u still get the counters?  Thank you.
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: Dywolf on April 08, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
But does {RooftopStorm} will work with {gravecrawler} since it a black mana ?
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: Richardalcala on April 08, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
Quote from: Dywolf on April 08, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
But does {RooftopStorm} will work with {gravecrawler} since it a black mana ?

Doesn't mater he is zombie and it says zombie spells.
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: Pakamper on April 10, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Its unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of a creature these days. {oblivion ring}, {Pacifism}, {Faiths Fetters}...
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: BlackJester on April 10, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
Quote from: Pakamper on April 10, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Its unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of a creature these days. {oblivion ring}, {Pacifism}, {Faiths Fetters}...
What is this all about?
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: Coffee Vampire on April 10, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: Pakamper on April 10, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Its unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of a creature these days. {oblivion ring}, {Pacifism}, {Faiths Fetters}...

It's unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of enchantments these days. {Aura Blast}, {Acidic Slime}, {Naturalize}...
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: Pakamper on April 11, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on April 10, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: Pakamper on April 10, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Its unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of a creature these days. {oblivion ring}, {Pacifism}, {Faiths Fetters}...

It's unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of enchantments these days. {Aura Blast}, {Acidic Slime}, {Naturalize}...
{Cancel}
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: 1337m00nm4n on April 11, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Pakamper on April 11, 2012, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on April 10, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
Quote from: Pakamper on April 10, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Its unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of a creature these days. {oblivion ring}, {Pacifism}, {Faiths Fetters}...

It's unfortunate that it is so easy to get rid of enchantments these days. {Aura Blast}, {Acidic Slime}, {Naturalize}...
{Cancel}
{Counterspell}
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: BlackJester on April 11, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
What are we talking about here? ???
Title: Re: Rooftop storm
Post by: 1337m00nm4n on April 11, 2012, 03:04:22 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on April 11, 2012, 01:23:13 PM
What are we talking about here? ???
I don't even know anymore...