http://youtu.be/o9tIWYC6h2U
Please stop slandering my reputable company.
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Usually when you post a video made by the company who's selling you the product, they make it seem so perfect.
http://youtu.be/VvcM9g4k_YI
Ronco's Great Looking Hair! just Spray it in!
A company representing its product.
Having never heard of this product...
Anyone care to fill me in?
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 03:00:09 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 18, 2014, 02:53:51 PM
A company representing its product.
There is NO way that's real...
You're too young to remember 90s infomercials
Do you actually get the gold you. Meaning to they send you the gold?
So how much is an oz of gold
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 18, 2014, 03:10:01 PM
So how much is an oz of gold
More then an ounce of the green stuff.
So a karat bar is gram? Or less?
How come there isn't anybody posting on here that they did it with your company and posting how wonderful it is? It just seems off to me because gold fluctuate in price. May not as much as most things but it does lose value and it gains value. So you cant say the value of gold never changes.
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Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 18, 2014, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Conan. Paper currency's that have nothing to back it have a 100% failure rate. Every single one of them will fail. Even the dollar. It's happened to Germany multiple times, it just happened in chile. Ukraine is going through it right now.
The dollar is headed that way right now. Inflation. It's unavoidable. The dollar is becoming worth less and less, while gold holds it's value. No one has any plans to stop inflation except go back to the gold standard.
Gold has always been worth something. Never has it not been worth something. The value of the gold doesn't constantly fluctuate up and down. The value of the currency is what fluctuates.
Then why are you selling it?
I don't sell it. I direct people to the company and make a commission. The company sells it because a) they didn't just go out and spend a couple billion dollars on gold. No person could do that. They use the money they get from selling their previous gold to get new gold. The individual people buy their gold through the company and don't sell it. They save it for when the currency tanks and need to buy milk and gas.
Ok. First the person who just bought the L.A. Clippers just spent $2 billion on them. So it could be done.
Second. Why would I buy from you when I could go directly to karat bar?
Third if the US dollar crashes the only thing gold will be good for is looting.
An youre supporting the scam
Sorry taysby but it just sounds like a huge scheme that the government hasn't pounded down on yet.
What happens when they kick your door in and give you new bracelets?
What I am saying is why would I use you as a referral at karat bar why not go there myself? What benefit do I have? Also don't I get a better benefit if I am more direct to them so I can get more percentages from the people below me?
And hate to say it but this is biased. He is trying to sell you on it. My examples look at ciggerette commercials of the 70's.
If you use forbes, money magazine, bbc, pbs, or something of that nature then sure. I can post a you tube video showing how you can jump off a several story building or catch a bullet with your teeth and live. If I link one of those will you try it.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 18, 2014, 05:51:29 PM
What happens when they kick your door in and give you new bracelets?
There is no possible way karatbars is scamming anyone. Watch the FREAKING video before making any other claims.
I watched the first 5 minutes and here's what I've learned so far:
That I hate incredibly long videos that has nothing but an annoying guy talking and reading the slide show that's attached to the video.
And i still dont believe it.
Most things that are scams always put "this isn't a scam/scheme" in the begining..
Just posting to keep up with this. Taysby, you can't win this.
Didnt you claim the Germans failed with gold in the past...?
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 18, 2014, 06:03:35 PM
Just posting to keep up with this. Taysby, you can't win this.
Just because you can't argue with idiots who won't do any research on how the company functions and that just jump to "it's a scam" with NO evedince. ;)
So now we are idiots because we dont want to watch a 30 minute video explaining the scam? That's appropriate.
It's people like you that dont give up and consistently repeat themselves everywhere that drives ME nuts. Now we are even.
Sadly I stuck up for taysby in the other gold thread, but after seeing what he pushing i no longer back you. Karatbar is being investigated as of two months ago. You make money off people joining under you, an ten if they do the same. That is the prime example of a scam company. You'll look back at this in a few years and see how naive you were. This will fail just like all the other scams.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 06:11:30 PM
PROVE HOW ITS A SCAM! YOU HAVE GIVEN 0 EVIdNCE OF HOW ITS A SCAM!
And I have given a ton of proof of how it's not.
What evidence did you give it's not a scam? A video by someone who works for them.
You need to research scam companies taysby. From what I just researched I found people aren't getting the full gram of gold, and it's more than the market value of its weight. So your paying more for something you can invest in with a actual gold refinery which would charge you less. This is a scam, you will see that with time.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 06:16:34 PM
Look, people buy 1 gram of gold for $65. You get something valuable in exchange for your money. How is that a scam?
Also, what type of scam are you guys talking about? Just "scam" is way too vague.
I said it sounds like a pyramid scheme
A pyramid scheme is an unsustainable business model that involves promising participants payment or services, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public.[1][2]
I can get a gram of 24 kt gold for 40$, your company asks 65$ for something that isn't a gram. That screams scam loud and clear. Read reviews of people who joined and quit when they came to their senses and saw how they are cheating themselfs and others. Like I said you'll see in time how wrong you were.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 18, 2014, 06:03:35 PM
Just posting to keep up with this. Taysby, you can't win this.
Just because you can't argue with idiots who won't do any research on how the company functions and that just jump to "it's a scam" with NO evedince. ;)
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 06:09:50 PM
Not because you won't watch a 30 minute video. Because you "know" it's a scam with 0 research on your part. It's idiots like that that drive me nuts.
Get #rekt.gov
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 05:47:32 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 18, 2014, 05:17:09 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 18, 2014, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Conan. Paper currency's that have nothing to back it have a 100% failure rate. Every single one of them will fail. Even the dollar. It's happened to Germany multiple times, it just happened in chile. Ukraine is going through it right now.
The dollar is headed that way right now. Inflation. It's unavoidable. The dollar is becoming worth less and less, while gold holds it's value. No one has any plans to stop inflation except go back to the gold standard.
Gold has always been worth something. Never has it not been worth something. The value of the gold doesn't constantly fluctuate up and down. The value of the currency is what fluctuates.
Then why are you selling it?
I don't sell it. I direct people to the company and make a commission. The company sells it because a) they didn't just go out and spend a couple billion dollars on gold. No person could do that. They use the money they get from selling their previous gold to get new gold. The individual people buy their gold through the company and don't sell it. They save it for when the currency tanks and need to buy milk and gas.
Ok. First the person who just bought the L.A. Clippers just spent $2 billion on them. So it could be done.
Second. Why would I buy from you when I could go directly to karat bar?
Third if the US dollar crashes the only thing gold will be good for is looting.
You do not buy through me. I direct you to karatbars international and whatever you buy straight from them, I make a commission off of.
What are you talking about? That's like saying if the dollar crashes, a {black lotus} will be worth nothing! and no one will want it. Gold is inherently valuable. Gold will always have value. People have used gold for thousands of years, it's just that in the last 150, we've come away from it.
Gold, just like paper money, doesn't have intrinsic value. Just like paper money, gold's value is derived from what the gold represents; buying power, piece of mind etc. You say that gold has never not been worth something, but in the history of man that is obviously false. Gold only has the value that people ascribe to it. In terms of it being a precious metal, it has value for computers and various other materials, but most of that can be supplemented by other materials like silver.
I am not saying gold has no value. I am saying its value is determined the exact same way that paper money's value is determined: supply and demand. You cannot definitively say that gold will always have value because you do not know that.
edit: all these quotes got my statement confused. if any mod or anyone can separate my statement from taysbys quote that would be awesome. thanks.
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Taysby hope you can read my comment and its not too screwed up in quote land.
Provide us 100 links that people are 100% satisfied with this scam
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 08:34:49 PM
You could buy a lump of not 999.9 pure gold that hasn't been processed, certified
I think it's impossible to have 999.9% pure gold unless gold has some weird percentage.
Gold, just like paper money, doesn't have intrinsic value. Just like paper money, gold's value is derived from what the gold represents; buying power, piece of mind etc. You say that gold has never not been worth something, but in the history of man that is obviously false. Gold only has the value that people ascribe to it. In terms of it being a precious metal, it has value for computers and various other materials, but most of that can be supplemented by other materials like silver.
I am not saying gold has no value. I am saying its value is determined the exact same way that paper money's value is determined: supply and demand. You cannot definitively say that gold will always have value because you do not know that.
edit: all these quotes got my statement confused. if any mod or anyone can separate my statement from taysbys quote that would be awesome. thanks.
There you go particle
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 18, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Provide us 100 links that people are 100% satisfied with this scam
Sorry man but that's just silly.
Then shut up about it and accept the fact people think its a scam until you provide all of that.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 18, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
Provide us 100 links that people are 100% satisfied with this business
Can't do that tonight, but I will soon.
That's silly too
100 links with 100% happiness from consumers isn't silly at all. It makes taysby point valuable.
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 18, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
Gold, just like paper money, doesn't have intrinsic value. Just like paper money, gold's value is derived from what the gold represents; buying power, piece of mind etc. You say that gold has never not been worth something, but in the history of man that is obviously false. Gold only has the value that people ascribe to it. In terms of it being a precious metal, it has value for computers and various other materials, but most of that can be supplemented by other materials like silver.
I am not saying gold has no value. I am saying its value is determined the exact same way that paper money's value is determined: supply and demand. You cannot definitively say that gold will always have value because you do not know that.
edit: all these quotes got my statement confused. if any mod or anyone can separate my statement from taysbys quote that would be awesome. thanks.
There you go particle
Thanks homie!! ill delete my post.
Quote from: particle on June 18, 2014, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 18, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
Gold, just like paper money, doesn't have intrinsic value. Just like paper money, gold's value is derived from what the gold represents; buying power, piece of mind etc. You say that gold has never not been worth something, but in the history of man that is obviously false. Gold only has the value that people ascribe to it. In terms of it being a precious metal, it has value for computers and various other materials, but most of that can be supplemented by other materials like silver.
I am not saying gold has no value. I am saying its value is determined the exact same way that paper money's value is determined: supply and demand. You cannot definitively say that gold will always have value because you do not know that.
edit: all these quotes got my statement confused. if any mod or anyone can separate my statement from taysbys quote that would be awesome. thanks.
There you go particle
Thanks homie!! ill delete my post.
No need too
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 18, 2014, 08:47:12 PM
100 links with 100% happiness from consumers isn't silly at all. It makes taysby point valuable.
Not really they can have 100 happy members. Because to be a member you also have to be a consumer. If he gives a link from the bbc pbs Forbes or another credited site that is not affiliated that would make sense. Also it's hard to find people to say its a scam because they can then be sued for slander. Look at Bernie Madoff. He wasn't found out for many years after he scammed people.
gonna stop quoting cause i screwed that up so much. but first of all, saying gold has always had value is different from what you amended to that gold has always had value since humans had bartering systems. In fact, the first barter systems, people used much less "valuable" things like seashells. For a long time, salt was the most precious commodity on earth. Please can we have a link that shows gold has had "value" for the last 10000 years. Gold can fail just like anything else.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 09:21:34 PM
The only problem with that, is it's relatively new to the us, so there are very few people active in the us, therefore, cnn and Forbes, and those people haven't done reports yet.
This is also a problem to prove its a scam being too new. Even if you know it's a scam you can't just stop it until it rips someone off.
Look at the police and drug dealing. They know someone is a dealer. They can't just stop him without have probable cause.
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 09:28:41 PM
Heres a thing that says the buying power stays the same or goes up a little. The fluctuations can be explained by people speculating and buying and selling in insanely large amounts. But even with that, the buying power generally stays the same.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Gold-nominal-constant-usd.svg/2307px-Gold-nominal-constant-usd.svg.png
That link means nothing. Look at the price of anything. It goes up. Look at houses, cars, land, milk, peoples income.
Quote from: Rass on June 18, 2014, 09:53:36 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 09:28:41 PM
Heres a thing that says the buying power stays the same or goes up a little. The fluctuations can be explained by people speculating and buying and selling in insanely large amounts. But even with that, the buying power generally stays the same.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Gold-nominal-constant-usd.svg/2307px-Gold-nominal-constant-usd.svg.png
That link means nothing. Look at the price of anything. It goes up. Look at houses, cars, land, milk, peoples income.
Inflation, no?
I would be hesitant to sink my money into gold. Money I can spend on things- gold has to be translated back to money to become useful anywas, right?
Check out the site ripoffreport.com, it has shed light on quite a few scam companies. There are hundreds of people on their giving their real life stories involving kbar. Once you've done that try and say this isn't a scam. No one wants anything to do with it. And an fyi the FBI is checking in on this company, with the help of Germany. Hmm kinda seems like they aren't backed by their own country.
"This is not a scam, look they're using real facts! Buy gold so I can get commission!!"
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 05:53:42 PM
Watch the FREAKING video before making any other claims.
C'mon man, you've gotta be smarter than that. You honestly posted a half an hour long video and then got pissed when people didn't watch it? It's literally just a guy reading some text. For almost 30 minutes. If you need to do some convincing in video form, you should probably keep it at about 5-10 minutes.
As for this topic, I'm just going to keep my currency rather than throw it at what may be a gram of gold, but may not be.
Also, saying it's all real because they're certified and then just repeating yourself and getting angry doesn't do much for ya 😉
Negging people for stating their love of you is silly also
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 18, 2014, 05:38:54 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 18, 2014, 05:17:09 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 18, 2014, 04:03:03 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 18, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Conan. Paper currency's that have nothing to back it have a 100% failure rate. Every single one of them will fail. Even the dollar. It's happened to Germany multiple times, it just happened in chile. Ukraine is going through it right now.
The dollar is headed that way right now. Inflation. It's unavoidable. The dollar is becoming worth less and less, while gold holds it's value. No one has any plans to stop inflation except go back to the gold standard.
Gold has always been worth something. Never has it not been worth something. The value of the gold doesn't constantly fluctuate up and down. The value of the currency is what fluctuates.
Then why are you selling it?
I don't sell it. I direct people to the company and make a commission. The company sells it because a) they didn't just go out and spend a couple billion dollars on gold. No person could do that. They use the money they get from selling their previous gold to get new gold. The individual people buy their gold through the company and don't sell it. They save it for when the currency tanks and need to buy milk and gas.
Ok. First the person who just bought the L.A. Clippers just spent $2 billion on them. So it could be done.
Second. Why would I buy from you when I could go directly to karat bar?
Third if the US dollar crashes the only thing gold will be good for is looting.
Yeah, your argument raises more questions then it answers. So your company is just cycling through gold in some sort of benevolent redistribution scheme? Or are they gouging people to get more gold? Or are are they just after cash? Anyway you look at, it's a scam.
You have problems with basic maths? The company sells gram of gold which is $40 for $65 and you are calling it scam? They are simply making reasonable and sustainable profit.
Quote from: Xaol on June 18, 2014, 10:21:15 PMMoney I can spend on things- gold has to be translated back to money to become useful anywas, right?
Right*. What Taysby is betting on is collapse of fiat currencies. Not the stupidest bet I've seen, to be honest ;)
* to a certain degree, gold is money in the sense that when you come to me and ask for services worth X and offer me X + cost of processing gold into cash, I have no problem with that.
Taysby. The problem is you keep saying your facts are from karatbars. Yes lawyers paid by karatbars will say its a good idea. There website will highlight the satisfied customers. That is why I do not believe these work. You need a third party without a vested interest.
Next. When the dollar was backed by gold or silver there was no inflation?
Quote from: Taysby on June 19, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
Here is a ton of satisfied people showing the holes in common arguments.
http://kbi9999scam.blogspot.com/2012/09/dont-fall-prey-to-insecure-gold.html
uhhh... You linked to a person who is thrashing Karat Bars International... How does that prove your point? If anything it helps solidify the others'.
Quote from: ShadowBarbarian on June 19, 2014, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: IceScythe on June 19, 2014, 03:03:32 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 19, 2014, 01:57:58 PM
Here is a ton of satisfied people showing the holes in common arguments.
http://kbi9999scam.blogspot.com/2012/09/dont-fall-prey-to-insecure-gold.html
uhhh... You linked to a person who is thrashing Karat Bars International... How does that prove your point? If anything it helps solidify the others'.
It seems he was referring to the comments under the article stating how false the article is.
ah, well viewing this on my mobile it opened the mobile version of the website; I did not see the comments
Taysbe. They do nothing to disprove him, they say "Nuh-uh" and stop at that. I did some snooping and the article was right.
Of course it is
The company probably paid people thousands to write those comments. And taysby is supporting a scam.
Guys, we have seen this before, Taysby will never give up on his opinion. PERIOD. From what I have seen the business looks like it is either a scam or they are just ripping people off by over-charging them. JUST MY OPINION THOUGH, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW. Only time will tell and until then, it isn't worth arguing.
I just think he's being ridiculous about this whole thing. He knows we wont buy anything so why keep saying its so great? Why keep posting stuff like this? It's not helping h any unless he has some secret fetish of arguing with people. I honestly know a guy that wakes up every morning and argues with himself in the mirror before e comes to work.. It's very annoying because he'll argue with you until te cows come home. Kind of like taysby
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Just want to state that this is not a scam, there are hundreds of companies (thousands?) that do the same thing. You are simply investing your money in a commodity, the same as buying a stock in company or a bond. Where it gets fuzzy is whether or not the return in the investment is substantial or not. In a normal market you would do WAY better buying stock. But in the event of an actual financial crash, gold is better because it is an age old currency that is not going away. Is it a scam, no. Is it your best investment dollar for dollar, that's arguable.
Dude, if you never made this thread and just accepted the comment that we love you even if you have silly get rich quick schemes none of this would have gotten this out of hand
Quote from: Taysby on June 19, 2014, 08:17:50 PM
I only made it because people kept bringing it up.
No. Nobody really brings it up. I saw it posted a total of once so you flipped out.
Not really... One single thread where people used way more, much more correct logic than you did do prove their opinions, so you freaked out.
I would just like to point out the fact that in the event of an apocalypse scenario where governments and the world economy collapse, your shiny yellow blocks won't be worth anything....
Quote from: Taysby on June 19, 2014, 09:51:05 PM
Ummm... You seem to refuse to look at the worlds history.
Umm...most of our history had the Gold Standard and the world is interconnected in a way that is unprecedented. If a apocalypse-like scenario happened now, if wouldn't be anything we've seen, the only things that would be of value would be commodities and protection (guns, helicopters, etc.).
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 19, 2014, 09:50:32 PM
I would just like to point out the fact that in the event of an apocalypse scenario where governments and the world economy collapse, your shiny yellow blocks won't be worth anything....
Now, these are two different scenarios, "apocalypse" where government collapses and we go back to trading chickens WORLD wide (and to a point country wide), gold is as valuable as dirt. But a situation where the U.S. Dollar collapses HARD (like drops 50% or more), gold is an amazing investment. The value of gold worldwide will not be as effected as the dollar that you used to purchase it. Let's say, you traded a {deathrite shaman} for a {crypt command} when they we approximately the same value. One held it's value and went up, one did not. The two scenarios REALLY are not that far apart. But an "apocalyptic" situation, people will trade a pound of gold for a bottle of clean water and an M.R.E.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 19, 2014, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 19, 2014, 09:50:32 PM
I would just like to point out the fact that in the event of an apocalypse scenario where governments and the world economy collapse, your shiny yellow blocks won't be worth anything....
Now, these are two different scenarios, "apocalypse" where government collapses and we go back to trading chickens WORLD wide (and to a point country wide), gold is as valuable as dirt. But a situation where the U.S. Dollar collapses HARD (like drops 50% or more), gold is an amazing investment. The value of gold worldwide will not be as effected as the dollar that you used to purchase it. Let's say, you traded a {deathrite shaman} for a {crypt command} when they we approximately the same value. One held it's value and went up, one did not. The two scenarios REALLY are not that far apart. But an "apocalyptic" situation, people will trade a pound of gold for a bottle of clean water and an M.R.E.
But in a situation where the entire economy drops a large amount, like you said, the value of luxury goods (like gold) plummet because demand drops off. No one in their right mind would be buying gold when their children are starving because they can't afford food. Demand plummets, everyone who has gold is trying to trade it for commodities (meaning supply rises), gold ends up being close to worthless. Gold isn't the best thing to invest in.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 19, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on June 19, 2014, 10:47:08 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 19, 2014, 09:50:32 PM
I would just like to point out the fact that in the event of an apocalypse scenario where governments and the world economy collapse, your shiny yellow blocks won't be worth anything....
Now, these are two different scenarios, "apocalypse" where government collapses and we go back to trading chickens WORLD wide (and to a point country wide), gold is as valuable as dirt. But a situation where the U.S. Dollar collapses HARD (like drops 50% or more), gold is an amazing investment. The value of gold worldwide will not be as effected as the dollar that you used to purchase it. Let's say, you traded a {deathrite shaman} for a {crypt command} when they we approximately the same value. One held it's value and went up, one did not. The two scenarios REALLY are not that far apart. But an "apocalyptic" situation, people will trade a pound of gold for a bottle of clean water and an M.R.E.
But in a situation where the entire economy drops a large amount, like you said, the value of luxury goods (like gold) plummet because demand drops off. No one in their right mind would be buying gold when their children are starving because they can't afford food. Demand plummets, everyone who has gold is trying to trade it for commodities (meaning supply rises), gold ends up being close to worthless. Gold isn't the best thing to invest in.
Gold will drop, I agree, but not as severely as the dollar. There will still be people in other countries (who's money is still good) that will buy it. Yes, value will drop but you will take less of a hit, it's more stable. Is it the best thing to invest in? No, I agree that it's not the best if you are looking to make money. But if your looking to simply stabilize a possible major fluctuation in value, there really isn't much that's better. Yes, you can go with food, water, ammo, survival equipment, etc., but if money doesn't crash, you simply have a pile of stuff.
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
Quote from: Piotr on June 20, 2014, 07:31:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
I'll agree with this, I see it as socially accepted as valuable.
The value of anything is relative to the observer. A hoarder may value a broken cassette tape as priceless. Gold would only be worth what one would give for it, and to be honest, I would not care to have your gold in an apocalyptic situation, therefore it would not be valuable to me.
Quote from: Piotr on June 20, 2014, 07:31:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
Thank you, that is what I have been trying to say, but I am arguing that gold would not be a primary concern for most people, and we would resort to a bartering system, with the value of gold plummeting. This would be due to people trying to get rid of it for commodities (hugely increasing supply) and few would be trading for gold rather than guns, food, water, etc. (hugely decreasing demand).
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 11:52:49 AM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 20, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Quote from: Piotr on June 20, 2014, 07:31:40 AM
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
Thank you, that is what I have been trying to say, but I am arguing that gold would not be a primary concern for most people, and we would resort to a bartering system, with the value of gold plummeting. This would be due to people trying to get rid of it for commodities (hugely increasing supply) and few would be trading for gold rather than guns, food, water, etc. (hugely decreasing demand).
We would need a system of money and gold would fit the bill. It might not happen overnight, but it would happen eventually.
Yes, but establishing a world economy would not be anyone's priority, but keep dreaming and good luck with your shiny yellow rocks...
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 11:51:29 AM
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Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
It's color, luster, pliability, and it never rusts or tarnishes makes it inheritatnly valuable. As opposed to paper currency which is not inheritatnly valuable.
Gold's color, luster, pliability and the fact that it never rusts are its objective physical properties. Value is in virtual realm, it is subjective.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and want to inhale life saving medicine you cannot do it with rolled up gold coin, but you can do it with dollar bill.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and happen to have many guns for sale, I would bet that you will accept gold rather than Coke caps ;)
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Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 11:51:29 AM
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Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
It's color, luster, pliability, and it never rusts or tarnishes makes it inheritatnly valuable. As opposed to paper currency which is not inheritatnly valuable.
Gold's color, luster, pliability and the fact that it never rusts are its objective physical properties. Value is in virtual realm, it is subjective.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and want to inhale life saving medicine you cannot do it with rolled up gold coin, but you can do it with dollar bill.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and happen to have many guns for sale, I would bet that you will accept gold rather than Coke caps ;)
In an apocalyptic situation I will not be selling guns. I will be using guns to take Taysbys gold bb's.
Ps do you realize how much gold is $40.
My dad got a $500 gold coin 20 years ago, and that thing is so flipping small. It's smaller than a dime.
So your gold shaving is probably going to be untradable because you lost it somewhere.
When our currency fails it'll effect other first worlds economies because of how connected we all are now. The only thing that'll matter in that scenario is foods and medicines, they will be worth more than double their weight in gold.
Quote from: Infektor on June 20, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
When our currency fails it'll effect other first worlds economies because of how connected we all are now. The only thing that'll matter in that scenario is foods and medicines, they will be worth more than double their weight in gold.
This is what I am saying.
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Quote from: Infektor on June 20, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
When our currency fails it'll effect other first worlds economies because of how connected we all are now. The only thing that'll matter in that scenario is foods and medicines, they will be worth more than double their weight in gold.
This is what I am saying.
Hopefully it'll actually get thru to him, but I still stand by that he's a troll. Or very very naive.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 20, 2014, 05:14:55 PM
Quote from: Infektor on June 20, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
When our currency fails it'll effect other first worlds economies because of how connected we all are now. The only thing that'll matter in that scenario is foods and medicines, they will be worth more than double their weight in gold.
This is what I am saying.
So if the world's economies fail, we are screwed and will never go back to a system of money?
people would go to gold because it's easy to make change for it. you can't cut a leg off of a live cow because the thing you wanted wasn't worth the whole cow.
No they would trade what meat they had for whatever you had, and to them gold wont mean a thing, if you had feed or medicine they would though. Gold means nothing if people are starving to death.
Yes but at what point is unknown, we could be using barter for decades.
It wouldn't be quick. Our currency fails so does other major nations, which would create a domino effect around the world. We used the barter system for hundreds of years even with gold exsisting. It would be our system for a long while. Your gold would be useless for your lifetime most likely.
Actually it does. Maybe I was right and your a troll that loves to argue. In the Middle East and Africa ( First Nations of the old world) they used the barter system for a long period. Hundreds of years, even though gold was a commodity. You just got out of high school so ill give you the benefit of not knowing to much of history. But you are wrong in this aspect. This will be my last post to you as I'm fairly certain you are a troll or 18 year old that is in the I know it all faze of life.
Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
History doesn't support that.
Yes it does, the Silk Road for example.
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Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
It's color, luster, pliability, and it never rusts or tarnishes makes it inheritatnly valuable. As opposed to paper currency which is not inheritatnly valuable.
Gold's color, luster, pliability and the fact that it never rusts are its objective physical properties. Value is in virtual realm, it is subjective.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and want to inhale life saving medicine you cannot do it with rolled up gold coin, but you can do it with dollar bill.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and happen to have many guns for sale, I would bet that you will accept gold rather than Coke caps ;)
I quoted this because I think its very important. You chose to only respond to the second and third paragraph with a ?, but you completely ignored the first paragraph. ive seen you define gold as having "inherent value" twice that "It's color, luster, pliability, and it never rusts or tarnishes," but those characterics are not unique to gold. Many other metals do not rust, are shiny and pliable, but dont command the value that gold does. The only thing that gives gold, and anything else for that matter, value, is our valueing of it.
Wasn't cinnamon highly valuable for some time.
I dare you to eat a teaspoon of cinnamon
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Quote from: Taysby on June 20, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
If every single currency system failed at once, people would want gold because it's inheritatnly valuable.
Not really, people would want gold because it is familiar. Everyone understands that gold coin has value, if only from childhood fairly tales. Value of things is measured with want people have for the things. In other words, value of gold is not objective and therefore not 'inheritatnly valuable'.
It's color, luster, pliability, and it never rusts or tarnishes makes it inheritatnly valuable. As opposed to paper currency which is not inheritatnly valuable.
Gold's color, luster, pliability and the fact that it never rusts are its objective physical properties. Value is in virtual realm, it is subjective.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and want to inhale life saving medicine you cannot do it with rolled up gold coin, but you can do it with dollar bill.
When you are in apocalyptic situation and happen to have many guns for sale, I would bet that you will accept gold rather than Coke caps ;)
I quoted this because I think its very important. You chose to only respond to the second and third paragraph with a ?, but you completely ignored the first paragraph. ive seen you define gold as having "inherent value" twice that "It's color, luster, pliability, and it never rusts or tarnishes," but those characterics are not unique to gold. Many other metals do not rust, are shiny and pliable, but dont command the value that gold does. The only thing that gives gold, and anything else for that matter, value, is our valueing of it.
Yeah, why couldn't stainless steel forks become the new currency? They don't tarnish, and they're shiny!
Much easier to eat with a fork compared to a karat bar
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 20, 2014, 10:43:20 PM
Why the .love. are you all arguing the merits of precious metal in a flat-lined economy? Are we seriously having this discussion?
Yup
Quote from: ConanEdo on June 20, 2014, 10:43:20 PM
Why the .love. are you all arguing the merits of precious metal in a flat-lined economy? Are we seriously having this discussion?
The internet in a nutshell.
I think Taysby might be into something...
I am starting a new mlms called carrot-bars.
When the value of everything is gone, you can use carrot-bars to either trade barter with or eat for survival!! Brilliant! For only $15 send you a bag of carrot......bars
Taysby I'll give a deal and you can get your bags for $10 and anyone that uses your special code I'll send you a commission for every bag-errr bar they buy.
First come first serve I'm only here to help you! ;)
I'll take five.
That's $75
But carrots tarnish and they aren't shiny!
For most of us: "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." -normally attributed to Mark Twain, although is disputed.
That video was way too long lol I got through 6 mins and almost fell asleep! So in other words wtf is this can Taysby explain what Karatbars are for me?
Thanks!
Lol... Www.akaratebars.com = www.aka-rat-bars.com....
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That video was way too long lol I got through 6 mins and almost fell asleep! So in other words wtf is this can Taysby explain what Karatbars are for me?
Thanks!
Ok: you are afraid of the paper money you use everyday is going to go the way of the east German mark. (Worthless)
So you are going to hedge your bets by buying gold, but you are not going to pony up $1800 for an oz of gold.
That is where karat bars comes in. The will sell you $40 worth of gold or approximately 1 gram. For $65. The extra money is to cover shipping and this cardboard sleeve the gold comes in. Taysby who is an intermediary for said company promotes the hell out if it, and when you buy the cardboard sleeve with the fleck of gold, and mention Taysbys name he gets a "finders fee" or a commission for bringing you to them.
Then karat bars will use your Newley (sp?) invested money to purchase more gold to sell to someone else.
Am I close? Seems legit?
Please stare at wall for next 29 min 45 seconds
Apparently you can also purchase said sleeve of gold on eBay for about $50 no reserve.
Do most vendors take gold?
So why would they need cleaners for gold...?
http://m.acehardware.com//product/index.jsp?productId=3607394&KPID=6055044&pla=pla_6055044
Quote from: Taysby on June 21, 2014, 01:41:11 PM
They get discounts for buying in hulk, <~~~~~~~~~~~~
That sounds incredible
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Gold is rarer than other metals. If you want to use silver, go ahead. (Silver tarnishes though, which is one reason why it's worth less, the other is there is more of it)
Because of those reasons, humans "assign" a value to it, which stays pretty much the same.
Couple of things. Gold has about 0 "inherent value." it is almost useless save its aesthetic value (otherwise the only things I know it's used in are superconductors). In an apocalyptic situation, the only reason anyone would want gold would be to trade it to an idiot for something useful. However, I do agree if you have a situation where all currencies failed, we might go back to gold, but for another reason: there is a finite amount, it has scarcity, and thus whatever value is assigned to it tends to remain fixed.
Also, pure silver doesn't tarnish any more than gold. Similarly, impure gold DOES tarnish.
No, silver tarnishes. Gold does not. That shows how educated you are.
You are buying over-priced gold glued to cardboard to protect your assets in preparation for a global collapse that would make your gold next to worthless anyways. Who's uneducated again?
Really if the world collapses, you want guns, food, water and medical supplies. Gold won't get you anything in the apocalypse but a back ache.
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 21, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
Really if the world collapses, you want guns, food, water and medical supplies. Gold won't get you anything in the apocalypse but a back ache.
I don't think you understand muggy... It DOES NOT TARNISH!!! Who needs medicine when you could have a shiny metal?
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Can I point out that gold prices go up AND down? And think when we start mining astriods! What happened to alluminom will happen to gold O.O sell all the gold now while you can!
I'm stocking up on canned goods, bottled water, med kits, and weapons. Won't need paper money or gold in a failed currency/apocalypse, if it happens.
Plus better value not having to exchange gold back to currency to use it
"Excuse me sir, do you have change for 7grams of gold?"
Yeah I think my stockpile of rice, dried meats, and water and protection and medicine will be far more valueable to people than some shiney metal.
Quote from: Taysby on June 21, 2014, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on June 21, 2014, 03:51:01 PM
Really if the world collapses, you want guns, food, water and medical supplies. Gold won't get you anything in the apocalypse but a back ache.
Gold has value. Instead of having a paper savings account, have a gold savings account, so you could buy the things you need.
you havent provided any reasoning why "gold has value" other than its shiny and doesnt tarnish. you claim gold will always hold its value, but what is this based on? so history may have humans on the gold standard for a fraction of time, but in the majority of human history, gold has been worthless. you cant just claim it will always have value when history is staring you in the face...
taysby, not to be a douche...
but please just shut up and drop this whole thing. nobody is going to buy from your company. nobody cares. youre just trolling it along by saying the same crap all day and night long. so please, just drop it.
end rant.
How likely is it well survive in a post apocalyptic world and society will be that organized?
please dont egg it on ):
I say we all buy platinum! It's more fun to say.
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How likely is it well survive in a post apocalyptic world and society will be that organized?
One week max if it's a full power failure type of apocalypse. Reason being is nuclear reactors are designed to last a week at most under the assumption that they'll only be without power for a short amount of time. After about a week and the power isn't back up, radioactive fuel rods start evaporating water from their cooling pools and will start belching out radioactive clouds. We'll be more worried about radiation poisoning than how shiny gold is.
Haha way to rain on the apocalypse parade. You think you're going to be a post-apocalyptic badass? Too bad, you're going to die within a week anyways.
Honestly? Saving gold for the apocalypse? You guys are crazy. I've got a stockpile of bottle caps all ready to go!
Screw gold.
A cabinet full of shotgun shells, 2 shotguns, 1 handgun, 2 rifles, 2 axes, 20 knives, fridges full of food and water, bullet-proof glass windows, and 2 cars are enough for an apocalypse.
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 21, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
Screw gold.
A cabinet full of shotgun shells, 2 shotguns, 1 handgun, 2 rifles, 2 axes, 20 knives, fridges full of food and water, bullet-proof glass windows, and 2 cars are enough for an apocalypse.
I agree^^
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 21, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
Screw gold.
A cabinet full of shotgun shells, 2 shotguns, 1 handgun, 2 rifles, 2 axes, 20 knives, fridges full of food and water, bullet-proof glass windows, and 2 cars are enough for an apocalypse.
How are you going to deal with never moving traffic? How are you going to shot the rifles and handguns without ammo? Won't the refrigerated food go bad? What if you get a flat tire? Why so many knives?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 22, 2014, 12:53:36 AM
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 21, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
Screw gold.
A cabinet full of shotgun shells, 2 shotguns, 1 handgun, 2 rifles, 2 axes, 20 knives, fridges full of food and water, bullet-proof glass windows, and 2 cars are enough for an apocalypse.
How are you going to deal with never moving traffic? How are you going to shot the rifles and handguns without ammo? Won't the refrigerated food go bad? What if you get a flat tire? Why so many knives?
Why so many questions?
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 22, 2014, 01:52:34 AM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 22, 2014, 12:53:36 AM
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 21, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
Screw gold.
A cabinet full of shotgun shells, 2 shotguns, 1 handgun, 2 rifles, 2 axes, 20 knives, fridges full of food and water, bullet-proof glass windows, and 2 cars are enough for an apocalypse.
How are you going to deal with never moving traffic? How are you going to shot the rifles and handguns without ammo? Won't the refrigerated food go bad? What if you get a flat tire? Why so many knives?
Why so many questions?
Because reasons...
^^
OMG yes
Quote from: Taysby on June 22, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 21, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
Screw gold.
A cabinet full of shotgun shells, 2 shotguns, 1 handgun, 2 rifles, 2 axes, 20 knives, fridges full of food and water, bullet-proof glass windows, and 2 cars are enough for an apocalypse.
And when you need to buy more ammo, how are you going to do it? Your American dollar will be useless.
http://hiddensecretsofmoney.com/videos/episode-2
The whole series is really good, but that is the most relevant. It is another 30 min, but it's not a boring 30 min like the last one.
And you'll be shot and have your gold stolen, but at least Collector with have guns to defend himself
And if youre dead what is that value of "your gold"
Actually i was playing onto your above statement. If your dead te dollar has no value neither does your little overpriced gold.
Nobody on here is goin to buy your crap taysby. Just leave it alone and accept we all have an opinion of your bs company.
NO ONE HERE IS GOING TO BUY YOUR OVERPRICED GOLD, YOU MIGHT AS WELL MOVE ON.
Nobody actually cares about yor company though. I believe that's the point we are trying to make. Just drop it.
You actually started all of it taysby. The fact you posted it to begin with is why this all started. Gg?
Ladies, please, you're both beautiful, but I'm taken.
Lol
If only i rolled that way
Lol
So how've you been Mlerner?
Quote from: Taysby on June 22, 2014, 02:14:16 PM
I debunked it.
When?by posting a youtube video from someone who works there.
It's been debunked as not being a scam because it's just simply not. It's an investment, just like a stock, or a bond. You are buying into a product that simply transfers your monetary worth. What CAN be argued is whether or not it is the best investment dollar for dollar. That is the ONLY thing that can be argued here without being a troll and simply throwing out your opinion. Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one and they're useless.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on June 22, 2014, 02:16:30 PM
Ladies, please, you're both beautiful, but I'm taken.
mlerner is back?!?! welcome back. also taysby, care to respond to my post? its a few pages back but not too hard to find.
Taysby, at some point, I thought engaging in these things with you would be helpful, but I forgot the truth about arguing on the internet. There are no winners and only losers. I will refrain from posting here, regardless of the outlandish claims that may be made here. I do hope that you to try to think about issues from multiple perspectives before making your views clear. Good luck, Taysby.
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2014, 12:42:38 PM
Quote from: particle on June 23, 2014, 09:53:05 AM
but I forgot the truth about arguing on the internet. There are no winners and only losers.
outlandish claims
True that.
How are they outlandish when a ton of people believe that gold is good?
That is literally the dumbest argument ever used. "How can the Nazis be that bad when so many people believed they were good?"
Your just crazy lol
Quote from: Taysby on June 23, 2014, 08:06:23 PM
: very strange or unusual : extremely different from what is normal or expected
The nazis nor gold nor the high price of fetch lands is outlandish.
Taysby isn't crazy, he's cool.