Interesting email i got.
From Christian friends.....now to you...this is a sad chapter in our Nation's history...feel free to check SNOPES link verifying info....
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
In 1952 President Truman established one day a year as a "National Day of Prayer."
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In 1988 President Reagan designated the First Thursday in May of each year as the National Day of Prayer.
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In June 2007 (then) Presidential Candidate Barack Obama declared that the USA "Was no longer a Christian nation."
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This year President Obama canceled the 21st annual National Day of Prayer ceremony at the White House under the ruse Of "not wanting to offend anyone"
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BUT... on September 25, 2009 from 4 AM until 7 PM, a National Day of Prayer FOR THE MUSLIM RELIGION was Held on Capitol Hill, Beside the White House. There were over 50,000 Muslims in D.C. that day. HE PRAYS WITH THE MUSLIMS! I guess it Doesn't matter if "Christians" Are offended by this event - We obviously Don 't count as "anyone" Anymore. The direction this country is headed should strike fear in the heart of every Christian, especially knowing that the Muslim religion believes that if Christians cannot be converted, they should be annihilated. This is not a Rumor Go to the website To confirm this info:
http://www.snopes.com/.politics./religion/capitolislam.asp
Seriously man you're like the spammer of the forums, Mlerner may necro, but you straight up are the pyramid scheme/chain letter king :P
WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE????
The funny thing s you can literally see him growing up. Went from talking magic, to all the sudden a very opinionated political activist. It's kinda funny the stuff he defends without looking for unbiased info lol.
Hanging chads...
I'd like to point out that the first word you see on that link besides the name of the site is "rumor"....
Pretty soon we'll see him post articles from abovetopsecret as facts lol.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
We were started as a Christian nation, then Obama came and started chipping away at Christians rights while promoting "equality" for the Muslims.
Umm, First Amendment?
Also, what's the problem with equal rights or with what Obama chooses to do? (Well, I guess you could have a problem with what he chooses, but to me this is something that is his choice alone. Some things may not be, but this is not one of them.)
We were a nation created from freedom of religious expression, not Christian. We have many here, doesn't make us a Christian nation. I see he gave equal days for other religions, which is a very good thing to do in a nation of so many different thoughts.
No, it's RELIGIOISLY FREE. Does the government force you to be Christian? No.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
Interesting email i got.
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
Nope. Nope nope nope. Do you actually agree with this stuff, Taysby?
From the first amendment, which you clearly are not aware of if you do believe the above statement:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
Why does Obama hold a prayer for Muslims? Well, let's see here- Muslims have suffered tons of discrimination against them since the 9/11 attacks. Christians have not. Sure you can cite minor instances of anti-Christian antagonisms in the US but I would love to hear any justification for how that could be comparable in any way to the discrimination many muslims face currently.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
Obama came and started chipping away at Christians rights while promoting "equality" for the Muslims.
Really? Can I see a some evidence to back that up? Again I encourage you to read the above. It is not that he "chips away at Christian rights" (and again you need to give some factual support of this) it is that he is trying to show that we need to be as equally accepting of Muslim culture as we are of Christian culture, plain and .loving. simple. You wonder why there were almost 50,000 Muslims there? They were overjoyed to see the leader of their nation showing his tolerance of a frequently misunderstood culture.
Now, your little misguided email also says:
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
Well I did some research. This faulty and frankly ridiculous claim is based off of something a Supreme Court Judge said in the case Holy Trinity Church v United States. Well, he realised that some misguided people would take his wording the wrong way and say EXACTLY what the above quote says. He in fact wrote an entire BOOK where he clarifies what he said. Here's an excerpt:
"But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...]
Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions."
So no, not a Christian nation.
Quote from: Xaol on June 09, 2014, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
Interesting email i got.
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
Nope. Nope nope nope. Do you actually agree with this stuff, Taysby?
From the first amendment, which you clearly are not aware of if you do believe the above statement:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
Why does Obama hold a prayer for Muslims? Well, let's see here- Muslims have suffered tons of discrimination against them since the 9/11 attacks. Christians have not. Sure you can cite minor instances of anti-Christian antagonisms in the US but I would love to hear any justification for how that could be comparable in any way to the discrimination many muslims face currently.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
Obama came and started chipping away at Christians rights while promoting "equality" for the Muslims.
Really? Can I see a some evidence to back that up? Again I encourage you to read the above. It is not that he "chips away at Christian rights" (and again you need to give some factual support of this) it is that he is trying to show that we need to be as equally accepting of Muslim culture as we are of Christian culture, plain and .loving. simple. You wonder why there were almost 50,000 Muslims there? They were overjoyed to see the leader of their nation showing his tolerance of a frequently misunderstood culture.
Now, your little misguided email also says:
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
Well I did some research. This faulty and frankly ridiculous claim is based off of something a Supreme Court Judge said in the case Holy Trinity Church v United States. Well, he realised that some misguided people would take his wording the wrong way and say EXACTLY what the above quote says. He in fact wrote an entire BOOK where he clarifies what he said. Here's an excerpt:
"But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...]
Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions."
So no, not a Christian nation.
Thank you for goin out of your way to say what I was trying. I'd plus you if I could.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
There have been tons of anti-Christian acts, for example, Obama ditching their prayer day because it might "offend someone". I'm not for discrimination, but special treatment because they were discriminated against is a no go.
Is he not allowing them to pray? Not at all. He's just not making it a national holiday (or whatever the exact term is), since there IS a "separation between church and state." The US is NOT a Christian nation. Xaol is correct, in my opinion.
Just because the majority of people in a certain nation are a certain religion does not automatically make the county "that religion."
I don't understand how making a prayer day not a national thing and the president's choice to pray with a certain group is throwing Christians under the rug...
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Nd it's odd how we went from me posting something interesting without me saying I support it, to "how can you believe that biased piece of crap?"
I was just posting some interesting facts (that last paragraph is opinion). Why the mudslinging and karma hitting for an interesting email?
About this: maybe people weren't the nicest about this, but in your later posts you seemed to start defending it. It seems to me that means you agree with it.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 09, 2014, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
Interesting email i got.
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
Nope. Nope nope nope. Do you actually agree with this stuff, Taysby?
From the first amendment, which you clearly are not aware of if you do believe the above statement:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
Why does Obama hold a prayer for Muslims? Well, let's see here- Muslims have suffered tons of discrimination against them since the 9/11 attacks. Christians have not. Sure you can cite minor instances of anti-Christian antagonisms in the US but I would love to hear any justification for how that could be comparable in any way to the discrimination many muslims face currently.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
Obama came and started chipping away at Christians rights while promoting "equality" for the Muslims.
Really? Can I see a some evidence to back that up? Again I encourage you to read the above. It is not that he "chips away at Christian rights" (and again you need to give some factual support of this) it is that he is trying to show that we need to be as equally accepting of Muslim culture as we are of Christian culture, plain and .loving. simple. You wonder why there were almost 50,000 Muslims there? They were overjoyed to see the leader of their nation showing his tolerance of a frequently misunderstood culture.
Now, your little misguided email also says:
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 03:31:51 PM
In 1892 The Supreme Court determined and declared the United States was indeed a Christian Nation
Well I did some research. This faulty and frankly ridiculous claim is based off of something a Supreme Court Judge said in the case Holy Trinity Church v United States. Well, he realised that some misguided people would take his wording the wrong way and say EXACTLY what the above quote says. He in fact wrote an entire BOOK where he clarifies what he said. Here's an excerpt:
"But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...]
Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions."
So no, not a Christian nation.
Yes, the first amendment says the government will not make a religion or prevent someone from practicing a religion. By us being a Christian nation, most of the religious people are Christian, therefore, for example, when there are prayers and such to start certain meetings, we would give a Christian prayer, because the majority of us are Christian.
There have been tons of anti-Christian acts, for example, Obama ditching their prayer day because it might "offend someone". I'm not for discrimination, but special treatment because they were discriminated against is a no go.
That except doesn't say it isn't a Christian nation
I can't remember what law or clause it is but, there is such a thing as separation of church and state which prevents Obama or any officeholder from tying a specific religion to the US.
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Just because the majority of people in a certain nation are a certain religion does not automatically make the county "that religion."
I don't understand how making a prayer day not a national thing and the president's choice to pray with a certain group is throwing Christians under the rug...
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Nd it's odd how we went from me posting something interesting without me saying I support it, to "how can you believe that biased piece of crap?"
I was just posting some interesting facts (that last paragraph is opinion). Why the mudslinging and karma hitting for an interesting email?
About this: maybe people weren't the nicest about this, but in your later posts you seemed to start defending it. It seems to me that means you agree with it.
This is why I wrote my post. I was not sure if Taysby supported it at first- though I thought he might as he has tended to be the most conservative-minded person on this forum. When he started defending some of it was when I wrote up that post.
Taysby- maybe some people hassle you for sources, but I do believe I've never asked you for sources before. You wonder why you're asked so much, it's probably because most people here don't agree with a lot of what you post and want to see some evidence :D
And also, technically, every source is biased. That's a redundant argument and you could say the same of any source I post, so when you post your sources, if (when) I criticise them, and I hope others follow suit, I will not discuss their biased nature as a limitation as that's already a given of any work, liberal, conservative, or otherwise.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 09, 2014, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Just because the majority of people in a certain nation are a certain religion does not automatically make the county "that religion."
I don't understand how making a prayer day not a national thing and the president's choice to pray with a certain group is throwing Christians under the rug...
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Nd it's odd how we went from me posting something interesting without me saying I support it, to "how can you believe that biased piece of crap?"
I was just posting some interesting facts (that last paragraph is opinion). Why the mudslinging and karma hitting for an interesting email?
About this: maybe people weren't the nicest about this, but in your later posts you seemed to start defending it. It seems to me that means you agree with it.
This is why I wrote my post. I was not sure if Taysby supported it at first- though I thought he might as he has tended to be the most conservative-minded person on this forum. When he started defending some of it was when I wrote up that post.
Taysby- maybe some people hassle you for sources, but I do believe I've never asked you for sources before. You wonder why you're asked so much, it's probably because most people here don't agree with a lot of what you post and want to see some evidence :D
And also, technically, every source is biased. That's a redundant argument and you could say the same of any source I post, so when you post your sources, if (when) I criticise them, and I hope others follow suit, I will not discuss their biased nature as a limitation as that's already a given of any work, liberal, conservative, or otherwise.
I apologize if you thought I was going after you for sources. I appreciate that you don't do that to me. :). And that you have sence. Some sources just report their data without any interpretation (like mayo) but the sites that come to conclusions are all at least a little biased.
And see above post. I wasn't defending the article, I was defending the equality of the Christians.
You really think Christians are getting the shaft end? Try being a open pagan or atheist in this country. That's discrimination. Or better yet you want to see real Christians getting hassled? Look at what they do to them in Israel and Syria.
Actually they seem ver relevant seein as this is the topic being discussed. Are you not complaining about Obama discriminating against Christians ? There is much more than just that going on in this topic.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 04:40:14 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 04:35:53 PM
We were started as a Christian nation, then Obama came and started chipping away at Christians rights while promoting "equality" for the Muslims.
Umm, First Amendment?
Also, what's the problem with equal rights or with what Obama chooses to do? (Well, I guess you could have a problem with what he chooses, but to me this is something that is his choice alone. Some things may not be, but this is not one of them.)
First amendment. Gov will not inhibit the practice of religions. America is still a Christian nation.
I have a problem when he throws the Christians under the rug while saying screw you Christians , and taking the Muslims under his arm and saying anything against them is inequality. That isn't fair to the Christians.
You're delusional if you think America is a Cristian nation lol
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 09, 2014, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Just because the majority of people in a certain nation are a certain religion does not automatically make the county "that religion."
I don't understand how making a prayer day not a national thing and the president's choice to pray with a certain group is throwing Christians under the rug...
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Nd it's odd how we went from me posting something interesting without me saying I support it, to "how can you believe that biased piece of crap?"
I was just posting some interesting facts (that last paragraph is opinion). Why the mudslinging and karma hitting for an interesting email?
About this: maybe people weren't the nicest about this, but in your later posts you seemed to start defending it. It seems to me that means you agree with it.
This is why I wrote my post. I was not sure if Taysby supported it at first- though I thought he might as he has tended to be the most conservative-minded person on this forum. When he started defending some of it was when I wrote up that post.
Taysby- maybe some people hassle you for sources, but I do believe I've never asked you for sources before. You wonder why you're asked so much, it's probably because most people here don't agree with a lot of what you post and want to see some evidence :D
And also, technically, every source is biased. That's a redundant argument and you could say the same of any source I post, so when you post your sources, if (when) I criticise them, and I hope others follow suit, I will not discuss their biased nature as a limitation as that's already a given of any work, liberal, conservative, or otherwise.
I apologize if you thought I was going after you for sources. I appreciate that you don't do that to me. :). And that you have sence. Some sources just report their data without any interpretation (like mayo) but the sites that come to conclusions are all at least a little biased.
And see above post. I wasn't defending the article, I was defending the equality of the Christians.
Thank you.
But while you defend the equality of Christians, again I raise you my past point: the Christians aren't discriminated against in this country like the Muslims are. Thus a Muslim's freedom of religion is inherently less equal than that of a Christian, no? By Obama having a Muslim prayer here in DC, he's not putting down Christians or anything, he's simply trying to bring the Muslim people to an equal footing with the Christians, are there is a sizeable Muslim population here in the states.
It might be a little hard to understand, so let me explain it a different way. Don't look at it as a scale, where raising one side (in this case, the Muslims) lowers another side (the Christians, you posit) to balance out. See it instead as two pillars of blocks, one taller than the other (that'd be the Christians). Obama, through things like the prayer here in DC, is just trying to add to the Muslim "pillar" and have them be equal to all other religions here in the states.
Does that make sense?
I'd like to tip my hat to Xaol for those metaphors. 👍
Same, wish I could +1 more than once/day :P
Church-------------State
^separation
This needs to happen..
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 09, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:46:17 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 09, 2014, 05:37:37 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 05:31:36 PM
Just because the majority of people in a certain nation are a certain religion does not automatically make the county "that religion."
I don't understand how making a prayer day not a national thing and the president's choice to pray with a certain group is throwing Christians under the rug...
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 05:11:21 PM
Nd it's odd how we went from me posting something interesting without me saying I support it, to "how can you believe that biased piece of crap?"
I was just posting some interesting facts (that last paragraph is opinion). Why the mudslinging and karma hitting for an interesting email?
About this: maybe people weren't the nicest about this, but in your later posts you seemed to start defending it. It seems to me that means you agree with it.
This is why I wrote my post. I was not sure if Taysby supported it at first- though I thought he might as he has tended to be the most conservative-minded person on this forum. When he started defending some of it was when I wrote up that post.
Taysby- maybe some people hassle you for sources, but I do believe I've never asked you for sources before. You wonder why you're asked so much, it's probably because most people here don't agree with a lot of what you post and want to see some evidence :D
And also, technically, every source is biased. That's a redundant argument and you could say the same of any source I post, so when you post your sources, if (when) I criticise them, and I hope others follow suit, I will not discuss their biased nature as a limitation as that's already a given of any work, liberal, conservative, or otherwise.
I apologize if you thought I was going after you for sources. I appreciate that you don't do that to me. :). And that you have sence. Some sources just report their data without any interpretation (like mayo) but the sites that come to conclusions are all at least a little biased.
And see above post. I wasn't defending the article, I was defending the equality of the Christians.
Thank you.
But while you defend the equality of Christians, again I raise you my past point: the Christians aren't discriminated against in this country like the Muslims are. Thus a Muslim's freedom of religion is inherently less equal than that of a Christian, no? By Obama having a Muslim prayer here in DC, he's not putting down Christians or anything, he's simply trying to bring the Muslim people to an equal footing with the Christians, are there is a sizeable Muslim population here in the states.
It might be a little hard to understand, so let me explain it a different way. Don't look at it as a scale, where raising one side (in this case, the Muslims) lowers another side (the Christians, you posit) to balance out. See it instead as two pillars of blocks, one taller than the other (that'd be the Christians). Obama, through things like the prayer here in DC, is just trying to add to the Muslim "pillar" and have them be equal to all other religions here in the states.
Does that make sense?
You seem to be forgetting that he TOOK AWAY their prayer day (to "not offend anyone") while giving the Muslims a prayer day. He's boosting the Muslim pillar while taking an axe to the Christian pillar.
He's giving them special treatment which isn't needed. We just need to treat everyone the same without special treatment.
Ok he took away one of many Christian days (lets not forget Christmas , Good Friday .........) and put one Muslim day. So maybe he should add more to try and equil it out.
The thing you have to understand is things evolve. Yes the United States was most recognizes religion was Christianity. Now there are several others with a large population. So things have to change. Either we recognize all the major religions and try to give them all their time. It may seem like they are taking away from one to give to another, but if they didn't they all it would be is religious holidays.
You can look at walmart. Are they trying to get rid of Christmas? During that time they tell people to say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas so they do not offend people. Also look at all the public schools and building that have holiday party's instead of Christmas party's in December.
Things change.
Things change, yet there is still no official national language for the USA
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
Which leads into the debate of the wussification of America because we "can't offend anyone"
It's consideration, not wussification.
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
Which leads into the debate of the wussification of America because we "can't offend anyone"
What would you do instead?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on June 09, 2014, 09:01:47 PM
Church-------------State
^separation
This needs to happen..
Agreed ^^^^^^
Quote from: Rass on June 09, 2014, 09:35:28 PM
The thing you have to understand is things evolve. Yes the United States was most recognizes religion was Christianity. Now there are several others with a large population. So things have to change. Either we recognize all the major religions and try to give them all their time. It may seem like they are taking away from one to give to another, but if they didn't they all it would be is religious holidays.
You can look at walmart. Are they trying to get rid of Christmas? During that time they tell people to say happy holidays instead of merry Christmas so they do not offend people. Also look at all the public schools and building that have holiday party's instead of Christmas party's in December.
Things change.
I agree with this. The US in its Constitution building days pretty much said that they wouldn't be able to think of every possible law at that exact moment. So they created the 10th Amendment and the Necessary and Proper (Elastic) Clause.
I see this movement Taysby is talking about is interesting. It seems that no one can have an opinion anymore. Anyone who doesn't like certain things can be shunned or if they aren't a part of something, they are shunned.
Take for instance, if I walk up to some random place downtown in most any southern state, and yell out, "Christianity is a paradox and cannot be possible," or "There is nothing wrong with being a homosexual." I would most likely be mugged, raped or killed.
I don't see it as (I hate this word) 'wussification' I see it as, no one is willing to provide a logical argument against your opinion. And that means people are losing their ability to logically argue a topic. Meaning, that anyone with an opinion that they can't counter is shunned. People will begin to mindlessly follow the accepted view, and it will become a hive mind. Anyone who contradicts is shunned. Even physical violence can occur if the person with the opinion and the mind to speak it doesn't shut up.
Moral: Have an opinion, speak it, respect other people's opinions. Have a nice day.
Excuse me for my poor spelling, tends to happen.
Almost put speeling... ._.
Quote from: Taysby on June 10, 2014, 12:11:55 AM
Wow, that's some crazy shiz. Surely most local Christian church as arent like that?
I just watched some highlights on youtube. If you'd direct me to the full thing I'd love to watch it.
It's on netflix. The image is a girl crying while praying.
Quote from: Taysby on June 10, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
Well I don't have netflix. My parents think "there's a lot of slutty rot on it" and they "don't want it in their house". :P
There's always piratebay I guess ;)
Quote from: Taysby on June 10, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
Well I don't have netflix. My parents think "there's a lot of slutty rot on it" and they "don't want it in their house". :P
No more so than regular tv
First in response to the 'not all the south is like that' part. No it isn't I should rephrase that. Where I live in the south all that would happen.
Seeing as free speech, and "what you ought to say" came up. Let me give a quote from my favorite comedian George Carlin. (Yes this quote jabs at religion, sorry it helps make the point."
"Religion is nothing but mind control. Religion is just trying to control your mind, control your thoughts, so they're gonna tell you some things you shouldn't say because they're...sins. And besides telling you things you shouldn't say, religion is gonna suggest some things that you ought to be saying; "Here's something you ought to say first thing when you wake up in the morning; here's something you ought to say just before you go to sleep at night; here's something we always say on the third Wednesday in April after the first full moon in spring at 4 o'clock when the bells ring." Religion is always suggesting things you ought to be saying."
"It's like Mind Control." I like that analogy. It is very true, and is basically saying, we don't like what you're saying so we have to make it taboo, or in this case, a sin. And telling you what you can and can't say. Another quote touching on censorship, again by George Carlin.
"People have said to me, you can't joke about rape, rape isn't funny. .love. you I think it's hilarious!"
He is pointing out something where people have told him "you can't say that." Well why not? Does the general moral compass not allow it? Whose to say what should be accepted. I will speak my mind as I please. Isn't that what our constitution says, freedom of speech? If I don't like you, I will tell you I don't like you. If I don't agree with your views, I will say so. I don't care if it is offensive, you may need to hear it. If I am honestly sorry I will say so, but otherwise I will say what needs to be said. It's not bad, it's just not accepted to do that. It's taboo, and you should talk about that, or that person shouldn't hear that, or people aren't ready for that yet. I'm getting tired of hearing that argument.
/end rant
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 09:43:17 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
Which leads into the debate of the wussification of America because we "can't offend anyone"
What would you do instead?
Let people do their thing without worrying about offending someone. If the person is offended, they need to suck it up and deal with it.
Well let this happen and stop being offended.
Quote from: Taysby on June 10, 2014, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 10, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 10:47:55 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on June 09, 2014, 09:43:17 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 09, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
Which leads into the debate of the wussification of America because we "can't offend anyone"
What would you do instead?
Let people do their thing without worrying about offending someone. If the person is offended, they need to suck it up and deal with it.
Well let this happen and stop being offended.
Touché, but saying something is different from doing something something.
Saying I hate blacks should be ok. Punching them I the face should not
Why should that be all fine and dandy?
Quote from: Taysby on June 10, 2014, 08:15:14 PM
Touché, but saying something is different from doing something something.
Saying I hate blacks should be ok. Punching them I the face should not
So taking away this holiday is like physically assaulting someone.
So if I say I will skip my birthday celebration this year it would be ok to punch you in the face?
Listen, why should you care if they celebrate a religious holiday, if it doesn't affect you in anyway. You can disagree with it, but in the end why is it bothering you so much in the first place. Leave them alone, they haven't done anything to you. Doesn't mean you have to be nice about it, doesn't mean you have to hate it. Acknowledge it. You can disagree with it, and use all the language you want, in the end it's your life. Live it the way you want it. And you aren't affecting me. So why should I care. That's the point, I don't.
Yes I agree talk is different then actions. But with both talk and action there are different degrees. You say fire or bomb in most places it doesn't matter. You scream fire in a movie theater or yell bomb at the airport you will get in trouble. Just like writing a racial slur on the wall and beating someone because they are a different race then you. They both are taking action but different degrees.
Quote from: Taysby on June 11, 2014, 12:39:07 PM
Writing a racial slur is still "speaking". You are putting words up for someone to read.
God damn it. Do you actually believe that? Look up Speaking in the dictionary.
Quote from: Taysby on June 11, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
*free speech
Do I have to spell out everything exactly the way it is? I thought people were intelligent enough to know what I meant.
Was that an insult? Because gurl I can out sass you any day of the week.
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 11, 2014, 08:26:55 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 11, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
*free speech
Do I have to spell out everything exactly the way it is? I thought people were intelligent enough to know what I meant.
Was that an insult? Because gurl I can out sass you any day of the week.
lolol
+1 sir/ma'am
Funniest comment I've read so far
Lol
Quote from: TreeSmoker on June 11, 2014, 08:43:15 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 11, 2014, 08:26:55 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 11, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
*free speech
Do I have to spell out everything exactly the way it is? I thought people were intelligent enough to know what I meant.
Was that an insult? Because gurl I can out sass you any day of the week.
lolol
+1 sir/ma'am
Funniest comment I've read so far
Lol
+1 for the compliment :3
Go all emrakul on her
Lmao
A) The Supreme Court never ruled that we are a "Christian nation", what you are referring to is a statement from Justice Brewer, whilst discussing Church of the Holy Trinity v US (not an actual ruling, just that dude's opinion).
B) I'd like to point you to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and Engel v. Vitale, where the Supreme Court upheld the idea after years of it slipping away.
C) Even if your chain email were true, IT DOESN'T MATTER. Obama is free to support any religion that he chooses, it is his personal choice and has nothing to do with us.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on June 12, 2014, 07:17:00 AM
A) The Supreme Court never ruled that we are a "Christian nation", what you are referring to is a statement from Justice Brewer, whilst discussing Church of the Holy Trinity v US (not an actual ruling, just that dude's opinion).
B) I'd like to point you to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and Engel v. Vitale, where the Supreme Court upheld the idea after years of it slipping away.
C) Even if your chain email were true, IT DOESN'T MATTER. Obama is free to support any religion that he chooses, it is his personal choice and has nothing to do with us.
THANK YOU! :D
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
His reasoning that he told everyone for doing it privately was to "not offend anyone". So obviously he thinks Christianity is offensive. Yet he did it with the Muslims.
Christians are (on the average) against gay marriage, abortion, etc and they are outspoken about it. So it looks like he's trying to quiet them to stop the opposition. That doesn't seem fair to me.
That's not what he's saying or what he's doing. He thinks Chrisyianity is on too much of a pedestal.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Every "Christian" holiday is also a pagan holiday, so that argument is invalid.
It's mainly Christian though, and the Christians suffer no abuse at all, really in America.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:49:33 PM
It's becoming a thing though.
No, it isn't, at all. Jeez, Taysbe, nobody cares about this at all except for you.
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Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Every "Christian" holiday is also a pagan holiday, so that argument is invalid.
It's only a pagan holiday if you let it be. I have family members who go to midnight mass at Christmas. But if that's your best response ok. So 4th of July is not a national holiday because people blow off fireworks and BBQ.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: Rass on June 12, 2014, 02:15:55 PM
Is it far to the Muslims or other religions that have a large population in the USA that do not have the same amount of holidays and other benefits as the Christians.
Every "Christian" holiday is also a pagan holiday, so that argument is invalid.
It's only a pagan holiday if you let it be. I have family members who go to midnight mass at Christmas. But if that's your best response ok. So 4th of July is not a national holiday because people blow off fireworks and BBQ.
Do you know the definition of pagan holidays? It's an actual set of beliefs.
And president someone said that it will be celebrated by fireworks, so yeah...
Umm ok. Yes Christmas is celebrated by no believers. Now if you are a true Christian you celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ. So maybe you should first start your attack on all the non christans who ruined you holiday.
Go to your church and tell them Christmas is a pagan holiday and I'm sure the priest/pasture/minister will explain the meaning of Christmas. He will also explain that this is how some people celebrate it but being a christan how you should be celebrating it.
Please tell me which president said that it should be celebrated with fireworks.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Who says we aren't a Christian nation. Straight from the White House website.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.
Obvious link to Christianity.
"In the year of our lord" actually refers to "Anno Domini", which in modern times is shortened to A.D.
It is used to distinguish from B.C. Both are widely used around the world, regardless of religion.
The full saying is "Anno Domini Nostri Iesu Christi" (in the year of our lord Jesus Christ).
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Who says we aren't a Christian nation. Straight from the White House website.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.
Obvious link to Christianity.
The first amendment and entire government says so, legally.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: The FullMetal Alchemist on June 12, 2014, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 07:50:50 PM
Who says we aren't a Christian nation. Straight from the White House website.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand thirteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-seventh.
Obvious link to Christianity.
The first amendment and entire government says so, legally.
You guys get mad at me for not doing my research then this? The first amendment says the gov won't make a religion or prevent a religion from being practiced. So that is untrue.
Won't establish a religion? That's a key part. I do my research, this could never be a Christian nation under our current rule.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
Won't establish a religion means the don't create their own religion, correct?
No. That amendment means that the US will never have an official religion.
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:23:57 PM
There's a difference between the government saying "this is the religion. Accept it". And the government saying, "hey, we are generally this, so for all intents and purposes we are this, but we want everyone to continue on with their own beliefs"
So the majority of our population is white. Does this mean we are a white nation?
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 09:27:46 PM
We are a white nation. But we should respect that there are other races, and we aren't solely white.
Facepalm emoji says no
Quote from: Taysby on June 12, 2014, 11:37:37 PM
I see the big picture. You seem to focus on the little things. What's the big deal?
Big pictures rarely help the individual. You are white. You are upper middle class. You're a very republican. Not everyone is you... Stop assuming that you're opinions are the right.
All I know is
My gut says......
Maybe?