This deck is awesome, powerful, fun, and affordable! I made it recently, and I love it so much I want to share it with people outside of my play group.
1 {Karametra, God of Harvests}
Lands (36)
1 {temple garden}
1 {emeria, the sky ruin}
1 {sapseep forest}
1 {mistveil plains}
1 {Dryad Arbor}
1 {Gavony Township}
1 {Homeward Path}
1 {evolving wilds}
1 {terramorphic expanse}
1 {grasslands}
1 {krosan verge}
1 {yavimaya hollow}
15 {Forest}
9 {plains}
Creatures (46)
1 {llanowar elves}
1 {elvish mystic}
1 {Fyndhorn elves}
1 {Avacyns Pilgrim}
1 {Sylvan Safekeeper}
1 {scavenger folk}
1 {elvish lyrist}
1 {uvenwald tracker}
1 {lotus cobra}
1 {whitemane lion}
1 {heart warden}
1 {elvish visionary}
1 {wall of omens}
1 {wall of blossoms}
1 {qasali pridemage}
1 {dauntless escort}
1 {knight of the reliquary}
1 {fleetfoot panther}
1 {stonecloaker}
1 {wood elves}
1 {farhaven elf}
1 {eternal witness}
1 {mirror entity}
1 {fierce empath}
1 {ranger of eos}
1 {chameleon colossus}
1 {emeria angel}
1 {spike weaver}
1 {stone-seeder hierophant}
1 {oracle of mul daya}
1 {dust elemental}
1 {acidic slime}
1 {kamahl, fist of krosa}
1 {hydra broodmaster}
1 {sun titan}
1 {brutalizer exarch}
1 {primordial sage}
1 {soul of the harvest}
1 {rampaging baloths}
1 {baloth woodcrasher}
1 {admonition angel}
1 {garruks horde}
1 {Avenger of zendikar}
1 {artisan of kozilek}
1 {kozilek, butcher of truth}
1 {ulamog, the infinite gyre}
Other (18)
1 {Garruk, Primal hunter}
1 {Garruk, caller of beasts}
1 {sol ring}
1 {skull clamp}
1 {sensei's divining top}
1 {amulet of vigor}
1 {lightning greaves}
1 {swiftfoot boots}
1 {cloudstone curio}
1 {seer's sundial}
1 {aura shards}
1 {fecundity}
1 {defense of the heart}
1 {abundance}
1 {rude awakening}
1 {praetors council}
1 {primal surge}
1 {genesis wave}
Now I'm well aware that the deck is lacking in removal. But it's not meant for 1v1 games. Most games you'll just be sitting back slowly getting your lands while other people try to kill each other. I've looked at many other versions of the deck online, and I got quite a few ideas that way. But honestly I think this version is better then any of the ones I've seen online. It's just more crisp, and refined I feel. I understand that the Eldrazi's are out of most people's price ranges, but you can replace those with other large creatures :p Hope you guys enjoy my build, and like I said I did put it together fairly recently so I am still open to advice :)
Other cards that are still being considered:
{birthing pod}
{aura fracture}
{mirari's wake}
{austere command}
{darksteel mutation}
{harmonic sliver}
{aluren} (and a few more bouncing creatures)
{luminate primordial}
No love for kara huh?
I like the deck. You need more removal though, and wipes. You're also weak to counter spells. Would you consider other win cons than just bit creatures?
{Avenger of Zendikar}, {Rampaging Baloth} and potentially {Seer's Sundial}?
Quote from: Xaol on June 10, 2014, 08:02:57 AM
I like the deck. You need more removal though, and wipes. You're also weak to counter spells. Would you consider other win cons than just bit creatures?
It's funny cause everyone says the exact same thing. But playing with this deck has made me realize something. Not every edh deck needs to run a good amount of removal. This deck never becomes threatening until later in the game, and people rarely find a commander who merely fetches me lands more threatening then one who is about to beat their face in. It's pretty awesome actually. But yeah removal is really not needed here. I suppose I could throw in a cavern of souls but every deck is weak to counter spells
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 10, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 10, 2014, 08:02:57 AM
I like the deck. You need more removal though, and wipes. You're also weak to counter spells. Would you consider other win cons than just bit creatures?
It's funny cause everyone says the exact same thing. But playing with this deck has made me realize something. Not every edh deck needs to run a good amount of removal. This deck never becomes threatening until later in the game, and people rarely find a commander who merely fetches me lands more threatening then one who is about to beat their face in. It's pretty awesome actually. But yeah removal is really not needed here. I suppose I could throw in a cavern of souls but every deck is weak to counter spells
In my play group if the deck you're playing sits back for too long, you die. Depending on if you plan to stay local or play other places you are actually going to need wipes and removal. Also of anyone is playing {Edric Spymaster of Trest} you're going to die almost instantly. The deck seems fine except you also have too many creatures.
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on June 10, 2014, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 10, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 10, 2014, 08:02:57 AM
I like the deck. You need more removal though, and wipes. You're also weak to counter spells. Would you consider other win cons than just bit creatures?
It's funny cause everyone says the exact same thing. But playing with this deck has made me realize something. Not every edh deck needs to run a good amount of removal. This deck never becomes threatening until later in the game, and people rarely find a commander who merely fetches me lands more threatening then one who is about to beat their face in. It's pretty awesome actually. But yeah removal is really not needed here. I suppose I could throw in a cavern of souls but every deck is weak to counter spells
In my play group if the deck you're playing sits back for too long, you die. Depending on if you plan to stay local or play other places you are actually going to need wipes and removal. Also of anyone is playing {Edric Spymaster of Trest} you're going to die almost instantly. The deck seems fine except you also have too many creatures.
Well in my playgroup, we play to have fun games. That's why I don't use my {uril, the mistalker} deck. No offense but I don't really care about what your playgroup is like...this thread is about a karametra edh deck, meant for any advice, questions or information related to said deck. If you only want to talk about your playgroup please do so in another thread :)
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 10, 2014, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on June 10, 2014, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 10, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
Quote from: Xaol on June 10, 2014, 08:02:57 AM
I like the deck. You need more removal though, and wipes. You're also weak to counter spells. Would you consider other win cons than just bit creatures?
It's funny cause everyone says the exact same thing. But playing with this deck has made me realize something. Not every edh deck needs to run a good amount of removal. This deck never becomes threatening until later in the game, and people rarely find a commander who merely fetches me lands more threatening then one who is about to beat their face in. It's pretty awesome actually. But yeah removal is really not needed here. I suppose I could throw in a cavern of souls but every deck is weak to counter spells
In my play group if the deck you're playing sits back for too long, you die. Depending on if you plan to stay local or play other places you are actually going to need wipes and removal. Also of anyone is playing {Edric Spymaster of Trest} you're going to die almost instantly. The deck seems fine except you also have too many creatures.
Well in my playgroup, we play to have fun games. That's why I don't use my {uril, the mistalker} deck. No offense but I don't really care about what your playgroup is like...this thread is about a karametra edh deck, meant for any advice, questions or information related to said deck. If you only want to talk about your playgroup please do so in another thread :)
Considering he was also suggesting more removal (As I will say that too) he's not JUST rambling on about his playgroup.
It is hard to make suggestions when your playgroup allows you to sit back like that :)
What do you have to survive a board wipe/recover from a wipe? it seems to me that a {supreme verdict} after your {Primal Surge} or {Genesis Wave} can wreck you hard, right?
Would you like suggestions on how to play around that?
Quote from: Xaol on June 10, 2014, 09:13:50 PM
It is hard to make suggestions when your playgroup allows you to sit back like that :)
What do you have to survive a board wipe/recover from a wipe? it seems to me that a {supreme verdict} after your {Primal Surge} or {Genesis Wave} can wreck you hard, right?
Would you like suggestions on how to play around that?
For starters, my general doesn't even die to most board wipes. That already keeps me going even after a board wipe. Second, you might have noticed a card called {dauntless escort} in a my list. He usually ends up on the field when I hit a primal surge. Next, there are cards like {soul of the harvest} and {primordial sage} that draw me enough cards to where losing my field doesn't even hurt much. Also, I run a handful of ways to bounce my crucial creatures back to my hand in the event of a board wipe, such as {dust elemental} and {whitemane lion}. Lastly, there are a few other ways to get around certain wipes such as {yavimaya hollow}.
And just for the record, my playgroup doesn't simply allow me to sit back like that. There are just always far more threatening things going on before I ever become a threat. I'm not sure why that concept is foreign to some of you but hey it is what it is.
So while I appreciate the offer of actual advice (as opposed to a story about your playgroup), I don't really need any on the topic of surviving wraths/board wipes.
Play against sparkle ninjas animar deck, that'll gauge the deck. That thing is silly.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 10, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
Play against sparkle ninjas animar deck, that'll gauge the deck. That thing is silly.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 10, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
Play against sparkle ninjas animar deck, that'll gauge the deck. That thing is silly.
Is this sarcasm, or are you being serious..? Lol a mediocre deck with a bunch of random, weak planeswalkers is not what I would encourage anyone to play against when trying to gauge the power of anoter deck. Funny that sparkle ninja talked about this deck not having a chance in his playgroup, cause that deck wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell in my playgroup.
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 11, 2014, 12:19:38 AM
Quote from: Wingnut on June 10, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
Play against sparkle ninjas animar deck, that'll gauge the deck. That thing is silly.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 10, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
Play against sparkle ninjas animar deck, that'll gauge the deck. That thing is silly.
Is this sarcasm, or are you being serious..? Lol a mediocre deck with a bunch of random, weak planeswalkers is not what I would encourage anyone to play against when trying to gauge the power of anoter deck. Funny that sparkle ninja talked about this deck not having a chance in his playgroup, cause that deck wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell in my playgroup.
Her deck isn't about the planeswalkers, she could probably eliminate them and it be just as powerful. It's about flooding the board unnaturally quick and simply running the opponent over. I have an animar deck that I consider good, but I'm positive that she would crush me with hers. I'm not trying to insult your deck as I agree it looks good, I'm simply throwing out the good old "put your money where your mouth is" (all this by the way is meant friendly, not trying to be a prick).
The deck combos out t4 and has twenty creatures on the board with enough damage from my general to one shot you.
#ShotsFired.
Anyway, this is quickly becoming a pointing fingers match. Take suggestions ok, people are only tring to help. And a word of advice, don't bash peoples' decks that you haven't played against. You don't know how they play out in comparison to yours.
Now, on to suggesting things. Board wipes and removal are a must.
Well if you refuse to run board wipes, I'm just telling you now that it won't be easy :/ yes I understand your commander survives a wrath, and yes I see 5/99 cards that have some kind of interaction to that kinda stuff, but in all honestly I feel even the most creature filled decks need an "🚨EMERGENCY EVACUATION🚨" button in them.
That being said, is this a deck that you would like to invest more time and money into? If so, I suggest these things:
Voice of Resurgence
Avacyn, angel of hope
Qasali pridemage
Karmic guide
Edit: Didn't see you already had pridemage.
Look dude, I'm gonna be straight with you. You want advice, then screw your playgroup. You need removal. And recursion. Both of those prove to be king in commander. Your playgroup doesn't know what they are doing if they don't remove your Kara or if they don't watch your mana. So here's what you want:
{Banishing Light}
{Oblivion Ring}
{Swords to Plowshares}
{Path to Exile}
{Fracturing Gust}
{Wrath of God}
{Planar Cleansing}
{Return to Dust}
{Grand Abolisher} helps against counter spells
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 11, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
{Grand Abolisher} helps against counter spells
Finally a piece of advice I can actually use!!! Thank you dylan, This guy would be a great fit :)
As for sparkle ninja, please. Get off of your high horse.
As for the people who are basically just saying "REMOVAL BOARDWIPES MORE REMOVAL MORE BOARDWIPES I KNOW HOW TO PLAY EDH!!!" I appreciate that you are trying to help (as opposed to just bragging about your
mediocre deck) but as I've said before the deck doesn't need much more removal, and it sure as hell doesn't need board wipes. The deck is based around utility creatures that are meant to get me extra value by netting lands as well as their other effects. The more creatures, the better. And primal surge should almost always take over then game when it resolves.
You are the biggest bag of .decks. I've ever seen on this forum. If anyone here is on a high horse it's you. Take the advice of people who, like you, know what they are talking about. If you won't accept what they have to say then why bother posting for advice at all? You can literally look at every card that is colorless, white, or green that has ever been printed ever on this very same app. If you want advice and are so confident in your own opinion then go there it'll take you like 30 minutes. Sorry to the other people on the forum if you think I'm being rude, I just cannot stand this guy any longer without saying anything to him.
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 11, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 11, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
{Grand Abolisher} helps against counter spells
Finally a piece of advice I can actually use!!! Thank you dylan, This guy would be a great fit :)
As for the people who are basically just saying "REMOVAL BOARDWIPES MORE REMOVAL MORE BOARDWIPES I KNOW HOW TO PLAY EDH!!!" I appreciate that you are trying to help (as opposed to just bragging about your
mediocre deck) but as I've said before the deck doesn't need much more removal, and it sure as hell doesn't need board wipes. The deck is based around utility creatures that are meant to get me extra value by netting lands as well as their other effects. The more creatures, the better. And primal surge should almost always take over then game when it resolves
A wipe will wreck your primal surge. You are going to need wipes. Every deck has them. If anything run land wraths so you can just screw everyone else over while you have your creatures. Also {Ornithopter} and {Memnite} for free lands
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on June 11, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 11, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 11, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
{Grand Abolisher} helps against counter spells
Finally a piece of advice I can actually use!!! Thank you dylan, This guy would be a great fit :)
As for the people who are basically just saying "REMOVAL BOARDWIPES MORE REMOVAL MORE BOARDWIPES I KNOW HOW TO PLAY EDH!!!" I appreciate that you are trying to help (as opposed to just bragging about your
mediocre deck) but as I've said before the deck doesn't need much more removal, and it sure as hell doesn't need board wipes. The deck is based around utility creatures that are meant to get me extra value by netting lands as well as their other effects. The more creatures, the better. And primal surge should almost always take over then game when it resolves
A wipe will wreck your primal surge. You are going to need wipes. Every deck has them. If anything run land wraths so you can just screw everyone else over while you have your creatures. Also {Ornithopter} and {Memnite} for free lands
+1 for being civil whether the situation deserved it or not.
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on June 11, 2014, 09:46:51 PM
Quote from: Gocougs509 on June 11, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on June 11, 2014, 06:16:44 PM
{Grand Abolisher} helps against counter spells
Finally a piece of advice I can actually use!!! Thank you dylan, This guy would be a great fit :)
As for the people who are basically just saying "REMOVAL BOARDWIPES MORE REMOVAL MORE BOARDWIPES I KNOW HOW TO PLAY EDH!!!" I appreciate that you are trying to help (as opposed to just bragging about your
mediocre deck) but as I've said before the deck doesn't need much more removal, and it sure as hell doesn't need board wipes. The deck is based around utility creatures that are meant to get me extra value by netting lands as well as their other effects. The more creatures, the better. And primal surge should almost always take over then game when it resolves
A wipe will wreck your primal surge. You are going to need wipes. Every deck has them. If anything run land wraths so you can just screw everyone else over while you have your creatures. Also {Ornithopter} and {Memnite} for free lands
He's already established that he knows that. He's asking for suggestions beyond wipes. To keep discussing them is redundant.
He stated he didn't want creature wipes. A land wipe may be beneficial to him.
Quote from: LordJanova on June 11, 2014, 08:40:15 PM
You are the biggest bag of .decks.
I'm never gonna look at a deck box the same.
Agreed with Sparkle actually. {Armageddon} could be pretty awesome here, as long as you can play your dudes again, you can excel beyond everyone else not being able to play anything. It sort of doesn't even wipe your board
Quote from: LordJanova on June 11, 2014, 08:40:15 PM
You are the biggest bag of .decks. I've ever seen on this forum. If anyone here is on a high horse it's you. Take the advice of people who, like you, know what they are talking about. If you won't accept what they have to say then why bother posting for advice at all? You can literally look at every card that is colorless, white, or green that has ever been printed ever on this very same app. If you want advice and are so confident in your own opinion then go there it'll take you like 30 minutes. Sorry to the other people on the forum if you think I'm being rude, I just cannot stand this guy any longer without saying anything to him.
Someone is EXTRA salty, good thing you aren't a slug (or are you?). And sparkle I think he was just referring to the fact that you started your post talking about board wipes. And that btw is not true, like 1/3 of the time I cast primal surge I will get {dauntless escort} out (and that is statistically due to the fact that I only have 3 other spells in the deck that aren't permanents). But yes I could definitely get behind the use of {armaghedon}. I like the idea of that and thank you for the suggestion
I always like {hydra omnivore} for multiplayer creature smash decks