This mechanic confuses and infuriates me, okay so say I use black sun for three on a messenger, it dies. Now since it has 3 -1/-1 counters on it when it died and goes to come back wouldnt it still be dead because it was 3 counters? Like with regenerate? When it dies you pay it's regen cost and it comes back? Or do I have this a** backwards?
No. It died, all stuff is removed. It's now a 4/4. If a -1/-1 counter gets on it, but dosnt kill it, the +1/+1 will be removed an so will the -1/-1.
So you have to either kill it twice or exile it, how bout on the stack, it's in the gy and before it comes back you either crack a nihil spell bomb or something and remove the yard, will that work or can you not respond to that?
You can activate like surgical extraction in response to the undying trigger exiling it and all other copies
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on April 02, 2012, 08:19:48 PM
So you have to either kill it twice or exile it, how bout on the stack, it's in the gy and before it comes back you either crack a nihil spell bomb or something and remove the yard, will that work or can you not respond to that?
You can respond.
Quote from: BlackJester on April 02, 2012, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on April 02, 2012, 08:19:48 PM
So you have to either kill it twice or exile it, how bout on the stack, it's in the gy and before it comes back you either crack a nihil spell bomb or something and remove the yard, will that work or can you not respond to that?
You can respond.
Finally good news :p
you could just use a {Grafdigger's Cage} and thatll stop undying
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on April 02, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
you could just use a {Grafdigger's Cage} and thatll stop undying
But that would kill my flashback stuff
Quote from: Elitehalo360 on April 03, 2012, 12:11:32 AM
Quote from: BadLuckIrish on April 02, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
you could just use a {Grafdigger's Cage} and thatll stop undying
But that would kill my flashback stuff
well if you werent running FB
{Relic of the Progenitus}.
Quote from: BlackJester on April 03, 2012, 12:13:44 AM
{Relic of the Progenitus}.
ah if only if it was reprinted in standard cause that's the only place I have trouble with UD