I want to make a deck based on {biovisionary} and {mirrorweave}, but i dont have an extensive knowledge of the modern database. There are some important components im missing, such as a reliable way to generate creatures so that i have 3+biovisionary and can win the game
"Assuming it even works, idk if i can cast mirroweave before the beginning of my upkeep" ( it wasn't quoting this for some reason)
Sadly, you cannot. No player receives priority during the untap step, so you can't cast spells. Inspired triggers even have to wait until the upkeep too
I deleted that after re reading biovisionary, its end step not upkeep -.-
Ah. Well, you have an answer anyway :P
It triggers at the end step not the upkeep.
If you put the triggers on the stack in the right order I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Haha yea i realized it right after i posted it :p
Still dont solve the problem of finding a way to produce creatures
{Clone}, {Progenitor Mimic}, And I know there are more than a few more, just can't put them out there at the moment.
Well ideally id find a way to win by turn 4 with this combo, i only need 3 creatures alive. Its {U} {G} and id probably splash a third color for a useful enough token gen. {blitterblosom} may do though but best case scenario id drop 3 creatures t2 bio t3 mirror t4(assuming uninterupted godhand of death)
But how? Ive never done modern but i really like janky decks. My favorite moden deck is that one guy on heres mill decks (millbox and deep sea millling) because they are both very unusual but very dangerous, they work from what he posts! I want something like that, and id really love to bioviosionary people for the win o.o itd make me quite the happy panda
Would rule 513.3 work in this case?
513.3. If a permanent with an ability that triggers "at the beginning of the end step" enters the battlefield during this step, that ability won't trigger until the next turn's end step. Likewise, if a delayed triggered ability that triggers "at the beginning of the next end step" is created during this step, that ability won't trigger until the next turn's end step. In other words, the step doesn't "back up" so those abilities can go on the stack. This rule applies only to triggered abilities; it doesn't apply to continuous effects whose durations say "until end of turn" or "this turn." (See rule 514, "Cleanup Step.")
Cast {mirrorweave} during opponents end step and win on your upkeep? Does that work?
Haha it triggers at 'my end step' i just thought it was my upkeep when i first posted, theres no problem with my evil little combo.. Except that it doesnt seem to be feasible just yet
maybe something with {sundial of the infinite}? also {teferi, mage of zhafir} and/or {prophet of kruphix} to flash things in. Just watch out for {lighting bolts} aimed at the prophet.
I definitely need protection for him for sure, ive got counters and all that but that costs mana that i cant spare
Is there a card in modern that lets me return to islands to counter a spell? Im pretty sure there is, and icould afford that if i had a lotus bloom suspended to fuel mirrorweave, i just dk if thats actually a card !
{daze}?
Edit: never mind, not legal in modern :(
I think i have it from my budget UG infect deck im going to go look
Quote from: MisterJH on March 24, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
I think i have it from my budget UG infect deck im going to go look
It may not be modern legal... don't think it is.
I mean the one where you can return 2 island rather than pay mana cost, or somethin like that.. Not daze
Oh. Let me search for something on gatherer then. 1 sec...
I was thinking of {deprive} but remembered its abilities completely wrong :/ {spell pierce} seems to be my best bet and that may not even work because by the time it matters they could very likely pay the 2 mana
Hey man, I highly recommend these cards!
Fetches
{Snapcaster Mage}, because he's a boss!
{Phantasmal Image}
{Phyrexian Metamorph}
{Renegade Doppleganger}
{Cackling Counterpart}
Your Clone package
{Remand}
{Mana Leak}
{Gitaxian Probe}
{Serum Visions}
Control and Card Advantage
{Threads of Disloyalty} and {Vedalken Shackles} to randomly win games with an army of THEIR creatures.
{Tarmogoyf} maybe? Because well, {Tarmogoyf}.
Just something to note before trying this: {Mirrorweave} will turn all creatures into {Biovisionary}, including your opponent's creatures. So if they have at least 4 creatures in play, they get the same trigger as you at the beginning of the end step.
However (and this is the crucial part), since the stack goes in APNAP order, your trigger will go on the stack, then your opponent's trigger will be on top of it. Since that means their trigger will resolve first, they will win the game before you.
Quote from: Sardok on March 24, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
Just something to note before trying this: {Mirrorweave} will turn all creatures into {Biovisionary}, including your opponent's creatures. So if they have at least 4 creatures in play, they get the same trigger as you at the beginning of the end step.
However (and this is the crucial part), since the stack goes in APNAP order, your trigger will go on the stack, then your opponent's trigger will be on top of it. Since that means their trigger will resolve first, they will win the game before you.
Inversely if i cast it during their turn id win due to APNAP? Ok i can handle that
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on March 24, 2014, 09:36:54 PM
Hey man, I highly recommend these cards!
Fetches
{Snapcaster Mage}, because he's a boss!
{Phantasmal Image}
{Phyrexian Metamorph}
{Renegade Doppleganger}
{Cackling Counterpart}
Your Clone package
{Remand}
{Mana Leak}
{Gitaxian Probe}
{Serum Visions}
Control and Card Advantage
{Threads of Disloyalty} and {Vedalken Shackles} to randomly win games with an army of THEIR creatures.
{Tarmogoyf} maybe? Because well, {Tarmogoyf}.
Mind taking a loot at my deck? Its psoted as the best deck ever in standard
Modern***
Seriously im stumped on the creature issue! Bitterblossom and what else would virtually guarantee a few extra creatures??? There has to be something thatll slap 2-3 creatures on the field for 2 mana??
{Dragon Fodder} and {Krenko's Command} are both exactly what you want.
{Sound the Alarm} I think it's called
Ok nope wrong card
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on March 25, 2014, 11:51:39 AM
{Sound the Alarm} I think it's called
Ok nope wrong card
XD {lingering souls} would be amazing if pnly i could cast it for its flashback
Ugh but id have to make a 4 color deck just for those token gen
Cuz bitterblossom is kind of too perfect to drop
Far from the best token engine, but maybe {Akroan Horse} would work without adding another color to the deck.
{Raise the alarm} actually