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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: IamGod_94 on March 22, 2014, 05:11:23 PM

Title: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: IamGod_94 on March 22, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
Okay so question.
So say I have a master biomancer on the field and I drop a progenitor mimic on the field but I don't have it copy anything. I now have a 2/2 progenitor mimic creature.
At my upkeep do I get progenitor mimic tokens?
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: IamGod_94 on March 22, 2014, 05:11:23 PM
Okay so question.
So say I have a {master biomancer} on the field and I drop a {progenitor mimic} on the field but I don't have it copy anything. I now have a 2/2 {progenitor mimic} creature.
At my upkeep do I get {progenitor mimic} tokens?
yes it would copy itself, but i dont know if you can have the new copies enter as a copy of something else. for example you have your bimaster and the mimic copys itself. i dont know if when it copies itself it can copy a new creature.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
No. If it doesn't copy a creature, it doesn't get the "create token" ability
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
No. If it doesn't copy a creature, it doesn't get the "create token" ability
the cards rulings state that you may choose not to have mimic copy anything and it would place 0/0 shapeshifter tokens on the battle field.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: IamGod_94 on March 22, 2014, 06:36:19 PM
Quote from: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
No. If it doesn't copy a creature, it doesn't get the "create token" ability
the cards rulings state that you may choose not to have mimic copy anything and it would place 0/0 shapeshifter tokens on the battle field.

Whether you chose to copy something or not it should still gain the ability to make copies of progenitor mimic.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
No. If it doesn't copy a creature, it doesn't get the "create token" ability
the cards rulings state that you may choose not to have mimic copy anything and it would place 0/0 shapeshifter tokens on the battle field.
Where is that ruling?
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 05:37:17 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
No. If it doesn't copy a creature, it doesn't get the "create token" ability
the cards rulings state that you may choose not to have mimic copy anything and it would place 0/0 shapeshifter tokens on the battle field.
Where is that ruling?
click the card link then click rulings its the sixth one
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Are you referring to this?

4/15/2013: You can choose not to copy anything. In that case, Progenitor Mimic enters the battlefield as a 0/0 Shapeshifter creature and is probably put into the graveyard immediately.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: MisterJH on March 22, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
It would create no tokens, as it says the copied card gains the ability of spitting out copies of itself. The mimic itself does not have the ability but rather grants the ability as if it were an aura. If played with no target youd simply have a 2/2 vanilla creature for 6 mana, not the best choice of play in my opinion.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: AdamS on March 22, 2014, 07:20:35 PM
Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 22, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Are you referring to this?

4/15/2013: You can choose not to copy anything. In that case, Progenitor Mimic enters the battlefield as a 0/0 Shapeshifter creature and is probably put into the graveyard immediately.
yes i was i thought it would copy itself from text of the card itself
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: FustyDavorite on March 22, 2014, 07:31:01 PM
It states "you may (insert ability here)" otherwise, {progenitor mimic} would enter the battlefield essentially without any of the text given on the card.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: Giggle the Draco Genius on March 22, 2014, 07:55:24 PM
Due to the way it is worded you either have to accept the entire ability or decline it.

It is essentially asking. "Do you want progenitor mimic to enter as a copy as any creature on the battlefield with awesome copy abilities or not?"

This happens because it is all part of the same ability.
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: Wingnut on March 24, 2014, 07:43:09 PM
The big question is, why not copy  {Master Biomancer}? It's just going to snowball......
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: MisterJH on March 24, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
He wanted to copy his progenitor mimic, so that every turn a new progentor mimic would come into play and he could have it copy whatever he wanted, in case he played something better, or worst case scenario hed still get a new master biomancer each turn
Title: Re: Progenitor Mimic
Post by: Wingnut on March 24, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Damn it, I hate when I don't see things that are bluntly obvious. Keep on keeping on.