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Title: about Counters
Post by: imFourth of Phils on March 21, 2014, 10:36:14 AM
{Vorel of the Hull Clade} doubles the counter? on a creature, for example ive earned x4 +1/+1 on a {Scavenging Ooze} , it gets another x4 +1/+1?? sorry for having poor english understanding, and thanks for helping
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Erik_the_gray on March 21, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
If there is only a +1 counter (even more than one) on the permanent, you can only add one +1 counter with his ability.

What is your native language?
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Erik_the_gray on March 21, 2014, 10:45:40 AM
 {Doubling Season} will allow you to add 2x whatever counters are being added to a permanent, but Vorel only let's you add one counter of each type that exists on a permanent.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: FustyDavorite on March 21, 2014, 11:06:55 AM
Think of it this way: you do not have a single x4 +1/+1 counter on scavenging, you have four SEPERATE counters. So  {Vorel of the Hull Clade}'s ability will give you one more of those counters, so you then have 5 +1/+1 counters.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: LordJanova on March 21, 2014, 11:30:20 AM
4/15/2013 The effect of Vorel's ability will essentially double the counters on the target artifact, creature, or land. For example, if a creature has three +1/+1 counters and a divinity counter on it before the ability resolves, it will have six +1/+1 counters and two divinity counters on it after the ability resolves.

Straight from the gatherer.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Erik_the_gray on March 21, 2014, 11:34:46 AM
Lord is right, I misread. His ability resolves seperately for EACH counter on the card.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: FustyDavorite on March 21, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Oh! I read it wrong too! Well then.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: imFourth of Phils on March 21, 2014, 04:58:51 PM
ohh, thanks guys, now i understand :)
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: imFourth of Phils on March 21, 2014, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: Erik_the_gray on March 21, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
If there is only a +1 counter (even more than one) on the permanent, you can only add one +1 counter with his ability.

What is your native language?
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since im a Filipino, our native language is Tagalog, i speak Japanese too :)
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 06:00:07 PM
Works we'll with planeswalkers too, just throwing that out there. Never mind  {Animar, Soul of Elements}.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Sparkle Ninja on March 21, 2014, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 06:00:07 PM
Works we'll with planeswalkers too, just throwing that out there. Never mind  {Animar, Soul of Elements}.
I used to do this
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: LordJanova on March 21, 2014, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 06:00:07 PM
Works we'll with planeswalkers too, just throwing that out there. Never mind  {Animar, Soul of Elements}.
Reread his ability again, it specifically states that it will only work on artifacts, creatures, or lands.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: LordJanova on March 21, 2014, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 06:00:07 PM
Works we'll with planeswalkers too, just throwing that out there. Never mind  {Animar, Soul of Elements}.

Reread his ability again, it specifically states that it will only work on artifacts, creatures, or lands.

Your completely right, I added more bad info to this thread. That's what I do, sorry friends.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: LordJanova on March 21, 2014, 10:46:34 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: LordJanova on March 21, 2014, 08:30:49 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on March 21, 2014, 06:00:07 PM
Works we'll with planeswalkers too, just throwing that out there. Never mind  {Animar, Soul of Elements}.

Reread his ability again, it specifically states that it will only work on artifacts, creatures, or lands.

Your completely right, I added more bad info to this thread. That's what I do, sorry friends.
It's no problem, it's actually a really common mistake when it comes to him. I guess people just want him to be more awesome than he already is, but planeswalkers are too powerful to have more ways to add extra counters to them. Wizards knows that between the proliferate mechanic, {Doubling Season}, and {Gilder Bairn} that planeswalkers don't need any more cards to make them more broken than they already are. So they nerfed vorel to prevent that. I made that mistake as well at first.
Title: Re: about Counters
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on March 22, 2014, 12:09:01 AM
At least vorel ups Gideon's counters while he's a creature...