I'm thinking of buying a pack of Dragon Shields for my standard deck. I've heard they're very good, and I have a bit of store credit to Troll and Toad. I'm sure some of you know a bunch about what are nice sleeves (hopefully relatively inexpensive, too), so could I get some advice?
Thanks!
I'm partial to KMC Pro Matts, but Dragon Shields are pretty nice, especially for EDH.
I'll check out KMC sleeves too, thanks.
Kmcs are amazing. Best sleeves i've ever bought hands down
Quote from: NightWolf on February 25, 2014, 07:32:23 PM
Kmcs are amazing. Best sleeves i've ever bought hands down
Have you tried Dragon Shields to compare?
Yes I have. Dragon Shields are durable and still great sleeves. The biggest deterrent for me was the rough cut edges. It makes shuffling onerrous.
Ah. Ok. Good advice, thanks. Probably going to see which is cheaper so I don't have to add in more besides my $5 credit.
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:40:00 PM
Ah. Ok. Good advice, thanks. Probably going to see which is cheaper so I don't have to add in more besides my $5 credit.
KMCs are usually around $10, but they're so worth the money.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 25, 2014, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:40:00 PM
Ah. Ok. Good advice, thanks. Probably going to see which is cheaper so I don't have to add in more besides my $5 credit.
KMCs are usually around $10, but they're so worth the money.
That's not so bad. I'll take a look. Thanks.
I've only personally tried ultra pros and dragon shields but I've also heard lots about KMCs. I'd say dragon shields are the most durable but possibly the hardest to shuffle (not that hard though) while kmc's are the smoothest shuffle.
I think being hard to shuffle might be a problem. Guess I'm going with KMCs.
Thanks for the help all.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 25, 2014, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:40:00 PM
Ah. Ok. Good advice, thanks. Probably going to see which is cheaper so I don't have to add in more besides my $5 credit.
KMCs are usually around $10, but they're so worth the money.
Huh. The ones I found were $6.50.
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p238359.html
Am I missing something here?
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 25, 2014, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:40:00 PM
Ah. Ok. Good advice, thanks. Probably going to see which is cheaper so I don't have to add in more besides my $5 credit.
KMCs are usually around $10, but they're so worth the money.
Huh. The ones I found were $6.50.
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p238359.html
Am I missing something here?
No, although I recommend the Matte, not the Supers.
I love Dragon Shields. Have all my decks in them. No complaints here.
These? http://www.trollandtoad.com/p238358.html
I looked at some reviews and it sounds like KMC sleeves can be a little warped. Has anyone found that to be a problem?
Dragon shield are super bent btw. They are awesome though.
Edit: I meant warped, not bent.
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 08:43:38 PM
I looked at some reviews and it sounds like KMC sleeves can be a little warped. Has anyone found that to be a problem?
I have two different kinds of KMC sleeves. One is a Mat Dark Blue and those are kind of warped, but not bad. The other is KMC Super and I absolutely love them. I have never had one get split or ripped, although the back do get scratched up commonly. Altogether, really great brand, I recommend Super if you buy (I think they are all around the same price).
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 25, 2014, 08:35:48 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 25, 2014, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 07:40:00 PM
Ah. Ok. Good advice, thanks. Probably going to see which is cheaper so I don't have to add in more besides my $5 credit.
KMCs are usually around $10, but they're so worth the money.
Huh. The ones I found were $6.50.
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p238359.html
Am I missing something here?
No, although I recommend the Matte, not the Supers.
Interesting. 1 vote for matte, one vote for super.
I just bought dragon shields and I love them. My only complaint is that if my card isn't all the way at the bottom of the sleeve, the bottom of the edge starts to bend a bit. Just whatever you do, don't by ultra pro. Those sleeves were terrible for me.
To defend a Ultra Pro (which I know are poor) I have Pink sleeves by ultra that are super easy to shuffle and really good. For some reason their pink ones work best haha
Quote from: DylanW18 on February 25, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
To defend a Ultra Pro (which I know are poor) I have Pink sleeves by ultra that are super easy to shuffle and really good. For some reason their pink ones work best haha
Are they just plain pink? Mine had the pictures of the guild leaders on them and they quickly started to peel.
Quote from: Quisequise on February 25, 2014, 10:39:00 PM
I just bought dragon shields and I love them. My only complaint is that if my card isn't all the way at the bottom of the sleeve, the bottom of the edge starts to bend a bit. Just whatever you do, don't by ultra pro. Those sleeves were terrible for me.
I think the older ultra pro ones (which I have) are better.
I'm leaning towards dragon shields as I can use them easily for commander later. However I've heard the edges can be uneven on Dragon Shields making them illegal for competitive tournaments. Is this true?
Quote from: Quisequise on February 25, 2014, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: DylanW18 on February 25, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
To defend a Ultra Pro (which I know are poor) I have Pink sleeves by ultra that are super easy to shuffle and really good. For some reason their pink ones work best haha
Are they just plain pink? Mine had the pictures of the guild leaders on them and they quickly started to peel.
Just plain pink :)
I'll also defend the ultra pros. I've been sold on the black matte ones. That's all I buy now. If one dies its no effort to replace as I probably have over 1000 of them now on all my different decks and such.
I did change a few colours for some of my commander decks tho.
The only problem I have with them is with the way I shuffle sometimes they get a little kink in the bottom corners. Nothing major tho.
Stay away from the glossy ones with the pics on the back. I've had nothing but issues with those. They either peel or are mongrels to shuffle as they stick together a lot.
Quote from: Wally on February 25, 2014, 10:50:03 PM
Stay away from the glossy ones with the pics on the back. I've had nothing but issues with those. They either peel or are mongrels to shuffle as they stick together a lot.
huh. that's all i use; the old glossy m13 bolas horns ones. while they do stick together a bit, they rarely break and they're great. they just get visibly scratched easily, which I why I want some dragon shields or something.
I've heard the edges can be uneven on Dragon Shields making them illegal for competitive tournaments. Is this true?
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 10:53:12 PM
I've heard the edges can be uneven on Dragon Shields making them illegal for competitive tournaments. Is this true?
Dragon Shield used to have a lot of miscuts, but they have stepped up their game quite a bit recently.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on February 25, 2014, 11:38:38 PM
Quote from: E.kann1 on February 25, 2014, 10:53:12 PM
I've heard the edges can be uneven on Dragon Shields making them illegal for competitive tournaments. Is this true?
Dragon Shield used to have a lot of miscuts, but they have stepped up their game quite a bit recently.
Awesome, good to know. Guess those reviews were old. Dragon Shields, it is I guess.
I love dragon shields. They rarely break and give a lot of protection. KMCs are good too. I think that if you're going with either one I'd pick on color preference I like KMC supers and any Dragon Shields. The rough dragon shield edges seem to go away after shuffling a lot for the most part.
If you ever want to double sleeve a deck. (I double sleeve my modern decks due to the value of the cards) then I would suggest KMC perfect fits with dragon shields.
I think I'm going with silver dragon shields. I just hope there are no miscues or rough edges, becuase if I decide to go to a PTQ two weeks from now I won't have much time to get in a lot of shuffling :)
Don't most people at PTQs buy new sleeves there or wait to sleeve them there so they are new and can't mark up?
Quote from: Avnger345 on February 26, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
Don't most people at PTQs buy new sleeves there or wait to sleeve them there so they are new and can't mark up?
it depends on the person really. If I'm provided with sleeves I resleeve. Or if my sleeves re getting really sticky and gross. If the sleeves are in alright condition I keep them on. Resleeving before events is never bad though.
Quote from: Avnger345 on February 26, 2014, 07:45:16 PM
Don't most people at PTQs buy new sleeves there or wait to sleeve them there so they are new and can't mark up?
I will probably do this. Unless I decide to use them for game day. But they probably won't come in time anyway.
Getting Dragon Shield sleeves is what I would do, so you're on the right track.
I have two sets ( purple and red ) and they have both served me well.