Wizards will be announcing new bans/unbans on February 3rd. The announcement will be for all formats, but I think ban as unbans in modern format will be most likely. What do you speculate will be lifted from ban or added to the list? The current modern banned list is as follows:
{Ancestral Vision}
{Ancient Den}
{Bitterblossom}
{Blazing Shoal}
{Bloodbraid Elf}
{Chrome Mox}
{Cloudpost}
{Dark Depths}
{Dread Return}
{Glimpse of Nature}
{Golgari Grave-Troll}
{Great Furnace}
{Green Sun's Zenith}
{Hypergenesis}
{Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
{Mental Misstep}
{Ponder}
{Preordain}
{Punishing Fire}
{Rite of Flame}
{Seat of the Synod}
{Second Sunrise}
{Seething Song}
{Sensei's Divining Top}
{Stoneforge Mystic}
{Skullclamp}
{Sword of the Meek}
{Tree of Tales}
{Umezawa's Jitte}
{Vault of Whispers}
{Wild Nacatl}
Feel free to speculate on bans/unbans in other formats in this thread as well, but modern seems most likely to undergo changes, IMO.
Just tossing this out there but do you think they will make a restricted list for modern. Where you can only have one of these cards. If it works for legacy why not modern.
Quote from: Ertai on January 26, 2014, 12:29:28 PM
This is why I don't play modern. All the fun cards are banned. Haha
Hardly. The pool is still so large that it doesn't really effect much. Just don't Netdeck! Haha. I do always get a little worried around this time of year, but I'm hoping for some sweet unbans to be honest. I still think Jace deserves a shot in this format, even if only for a year.
Yeah because if you limit it, and everyone adds, sensei's top, ponder, and preordain. At the very least..
Can't catch a joke I guess.
Modern unbanned: {Wild Nacatl} to help give Aggro /zoo a boost
Modern Banned: None (with a PT so close I don't think they'll be THAT cruel but who knows)
Other formats: no changes
People are speculating the unbanning of {Bitterblossom} but that will only fuel B/G decks that are already fairly strong, but who knows.
bitterblossom would make ub faeries a big thing again, so no
ancestral vision and GGT might be, though.
If the right cards are unbanned, I may make the shift into modern. Legacy is dead here, standard sucks, and modern is gaining traction at my LGS.
C'mon Wizards. Be good to me for my birthday!
Maybe jace? They have more PW kill spells now, and sure he's nasty, but in EDH games where he comes up often he's quickly disposed of.
Also they did reprint him...
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 26, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
If the right cards are unbanned, I may make the shift into modern. Legacy is dead here, standard sucks, and modern is gaining traction at my LGS.
C'mon Wizards. Be good to me for my birthday!
What card would need to be unbanned? {Golgari Grave-Troll} is a possibility :P I still think Nacatl is most likely though
Quote from: Muggywuggy on January 26, 2014, 01:47:53 PM
Maybe jace? They have more PW kill spells now, and sure he's nasty, but in EDH games where he comes up often he's quickly disposed of.
Also they did reprint him...
No chance.
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 26, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
If the right cards are unbanned, I may make the shift into modern. Legacy is dead here, standard sucks, and modern is gaining traction at my LGS.
C'mon Wizards. Be good to me for my birthday!
What card would need to be unbanned? {Golgari Grave-Troll} is a possibility :P I still think Nacatl is most likely though
I don't know- Nacatl would probably force all zoo to be naya, but GGT is a definite possibility, grave hate has come a long way since then.
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 26, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
If the right cards are unbanned, I may make the shift into modern. Legacy is dead here, standard sucks, and modern is gaining traction at my LGS.
C'mon Wizards. Be good to me for my birthday!
What card would need to be unbanned? {Golgari Grave-Troll} is a possibility :P I still think Nacatl is most likely though
I sure am fond of my grave-trolls, {dread return}s, {ponder}s, and {dark depths}. I would go dredge if the appropriate cards were unbanned.
Quote from: Taysby on January 26, 2014, 01:58:37 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on January 26, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on January 26, 2014, 01:14:43 PM
If the right cards are unbanned, I may make the shift into modern. Legacy is dead here, standard sucks, and modern is gaining traction at my LGS.
C'mon Wizards. Be good to me for my birthday!
What card would need to be unbanned? {Golgari Grave-Troll} is a possibility :P I still think Nacatl is most likely though
Yeah! Unban the troll!
Please don't ban any urza tron stuff. Please. Please! I don't want to have to switch decks...
I think the urza stuff is all very safe, some are speculating a Deathrite ban, but I don't see b/g dominating top 8's like in the pre-BBE banning days
Any standard bannings? Also, my LGS has been speculating the banning of Bolt. I doubt it tho.
If deathrite does get banned, what's gonna happen to its value once it rotates out of standard?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 26, 2014, 02:39:54 PM
If deathrite does get banned, what's gonna happen to its value once it rotates out of standard?
It has a strong presence in legacy... And we all know about 4-of's in legacy :P
I don't think really anything will happen with the bans and unbans. Although {Deathrite Shaman} is amazing, I don't think he will be banned.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 26, 2014, 02:45:07 PM
I don't think really anything will happen with the bans and unbans. Although {Deathrite Shaman} is amazing, I don't think he will be banned.
Yeah I don't either, but it's the only thing being suggested for a ban. Unban of Bitterblossom would be a huge deal, and I feel like they will want to shake things up now that the format has shifted and we have powerful hate cards
Any chance the artifact lands like {great furnace} and the likes will be unbanned?
Quote from: Taysby on January 26, 2014, 03:12:43 PM
Not at all. They are strictly better than basics for one, and affinity doesn't need any more speed.
Yeah... I guess I can still dream :(
I agree with Lolrus, {Wild Nacatl} seems like a good unbanning candidate. Zoo isn't exactly a degenerate deck, and it wouldn't hurt the format to see it again. I don't think {Golgari Grave Troll} wouldn't be a big deal to unban either. Some dredge might be nice! Maybe we'll even get to see those MM reprinted {Narcomoeba}s in some decks!
Honestly I don't see a problem with {Jace, The Mind Sculptor} in modern. There are so many answers for him now that weren't around when he got banned. He's got two blue in his cost, so he won't be in every deck. I just don't think he'd hurt the format anymore, not with all the available ways to deal with him
If anything does get banned in modern, I have a feeling it will be {Birthing Pod}. I don't want it to be banned, but it's doing a lot of things that they don't like cards to be doing, like showing up in too many different decks and making combo decks too consistent.
Quote from: Mishra, Artificer Extraordinaire on January 26, 2014, 02:38:44 PM
Any standard bannings? Also, my LGS has been speculating the banning of Bolt. I doubt it tho.
Standard doesn't ban cards. The only time it's ever happened is in a couple of extreme cases ({Jace the mind sculptor}, {Stoneforge Mystic}/"Cawblade") when cards had completely unbalanced and decimated the entire format.
I do not think there is any chance they would unban jacey. Printing more removal doesn't make jace any worse. It still does the same things...bounce/tempo gaining/drawing. Plus I don't really see any decent removal in modern that could deal with jace adequately, without some serious tempo loss. And the fact that he has 2 blue in his mana cost means practically nothing. Just look at {Cryptic Command}. The beat counter in modern, and nearly any deck playing blue runs 4. Jace might as well be colorless.
If jace gets unbanned will he get cheaper or more expensive?
Also hoping for unbanning of Onslaught fetches.
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on January 26, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
If jace gets unbanned will he get cheaper or more expensive?
Also hoping for unbanning of Onslaught fetches.
Probably more expensive.
Onslaught fetches aren't so much banned in modern as they are illegal - they were printed before 8th edition, and therefore are not allowed in the format. They would need to be reprinted in order to become legal - which many players speculate may happen soon, perhaps during a return to Zendikar.
Quote from: Gorzo on January 26, 2014, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on January 26, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
If jace gets unbanned will he get cheaper or more expensive?
Also hoping for unbanning of Onslaught fetches.
Probably more expensive.
Onslaught fetches aren't so much banned in modern as they are illegal - they were printed before 8th edition, and therefore are not allowed in the format. They would need to be reprinted in order to become legal - which many players speculate may happen soon, perhaps during a return to Zendikar.
Is return to zendikar confirmed?
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 26, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on January 26, 2014, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on January 26, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
If jace gets unbanned will he get cheaper or more expensive?
Also hoping for unbanning of Onslaught fetches.
Probably more expensive.
Onslaught fetches aren't so much banned in modern as they are illegal - they were printed before 8th edition, and therefore are not allowed in the format. They would need to be reprinted in order to become legal - which many players speculate may happen soon, perhaps during a return to Zendikar.
Is return to zendikar confirmed?
No, but with Wizard's interest in the making the modern format popular and accessible, it is inevitable that they reprint the fetches.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 26, 2014, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 26, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on January 26, 2014, 04:58:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix X30 on January 26, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
If jace gets unbanned will he get cheaper or more expensive?
Also hoping for unbanning of Onslaught fetches.
Probably more expensive.
Onslaught fetches aren't so much banned in modern as they are illegal - they were printed before 8th edition, and therefore are not allowed in the format. They would need to be reprinted in order to become legal - which many players speculate may happen soon, perhaps during a return to Zendikar.
Is return to zendikar confirmed?
No, but with Wizard's interest in the making the modern format popular and accessible, it is inevitable that they reprint the fetches.
We need return to zendikar. Zendikar is my favorite set
Quote from: ConanEdo on January 26, 2014, 08:03:32 PM
Update: Apparently someone knows something the rest of us don't: http://www.mtgstocks.com/cards/2901
I don't think it will happen, people are just speculating. I also heard a lot of people freaking out, saying that {Bitterblosom} would be in the Modern Event deck, because people are thinking it will be Orzhov tokens.
Bannings/Unbannings for French 1v1 Commander have been announced:
{Derevi, Empyrial Tactician} is banned as a Commander
{Zur the Enchanter} is banned as a Commander
{Grim Monolith} is banned
{Natural Order }is banned
{Oath of Druids} is banned
{Vanishing} is unbanned
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 26, 2014, 11:14:23 PM
Bannings/Unbannings for French 1v1 Commander have been announced:
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician is banned as a Commander
Zur the Enchanter is banned as a Commander
Grim Monolith is banned
Natural Order is banned
Oath of Druids is banned
Vanishing is unbanned
Noooo. Derevi!! Why?!
I'm actually curious, why ban derevi? Too many infinite combos?
The banning of zhur is gonna piss a lot of people off.
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 26, 2014, 11:16:53 PM
The banning of zhur is gonna piss a lot of people off.
And make a lot of people who don't play zur happy... :)
Quote from: E.kann1 on January 26, 2014, 11:18:05 PM
Quote from: Spencer Addington on January 26, 2014, 11:16:53 PM
The banning of zhur is gonna piss a lot of people off.
And make a lot of people who don't play zur happy... :)
There were answers for zhur. I'm gonna keep an eye on the trade section cause people are going to start taking apart their zhur commander decks.
TO CLARIFY, THIS ARE THE BAN/UNBAN LIST FOR FRENCH 1V1 COMMANDER
Here is the official site, with explanations: http://duelcommander.com/last-banlist-changes/
Derevi confused me at first also, but after reading the explanation, I understand.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on January 26, 2014, 11:21:22 PM
TO CLARIFY, THIS ARE THE BAN/UNBAN LIST FOR FRENCH 1V1 COMMANDER
Here is the official site, with explanations: http://duelcommander.com/last-banlist-changes/
Derevi confused me at first also, but after reading the explanation, I understand.
Makes sense now. Well, i don't have any of those combos in my derevi deck, so I think I'll be fine playing win my friends.
I have a derevi on cockatrice using the wizards banlist and it's the most broken deck ever made. Most decks need {Sol Ring} or {Mana Crypt} in the opening hand to be broken, however derevi just needs a mana dork and things get nasty starting turn 2.
I'm just not a fan of French commander. It seems only certain things get banned while other cards that lock a game into nothing stay. Banning a designated commander just seems silly.
Why not ban the cards that make land untappable, wait what about Iona, no actually there is {hall of gems} also, that's really unfair when you're blah blah blah: basically I think French commander is silly, it allows some broken combos to go off but doesn't allow others. That just seems like card favoritism
Quote from: Muggywuggy on January 27, 2014, 03:30:22 PM
I'm just not a fan of French commander. It seems only certain things get banned while other cards that lock a game into nothing stay. Banning a designated commander just seems silly.
Why not ban the cards that make land untappable, wait what about Iona, no actually there is {hall of gems} also, that's really unfair when you're blah blah blah: basically I think French commander is silly, it allows some broken combos to go off but doesn't allow others. That just seems like card favoritism
Iona is not broken though you just need to play around her sure its hard if you're playing mono colored EDH but she costs 9 mana you need to anticipate her and its not hard to counter her
Quote from: Mattao19 on January 27, 2014, 05:06:38 PM
Quote from: Muggywuggy on January 27, 2014, 03:30:22 PM
I'm just not a fan of French commander. It seems only certain things get banned while other cards that lock a game into nothing stay. Banning a designated commander just seems silly.
Why not ban the cards that make land untappable, wait what about Iona, no actually there is {hall of gems} also, that's really unfair when you're blah blah blah: basically I think French commander is silly, it allows some broken combos to go off but doesn't allow others. That just seems like card favoritism
Iona is not broken though you just need to play around her sure its hard if you're playing mono colored EDH but she costs 9 mana you need to anticipate her and its not hard to counter her
In 1v1 competitive EDH: fair game. In 1v1 casual: don't use it. Multiplayer EDH: Okay, it forces you to use .politics. to work around it.
Iona is just something you need to expect so you should have a game plan. All decks can use colorless and if you have to use {Tower of Calamities}, you have to do what you have to do.
Yesterday:
Mono white player
{moat}
{humility}
Mono green player
{Hall of Gemstone}
Long boring game for me and other guy with multicolor
Seriously, if you can't deal with Iona, then you're either really unprepared, rely too much on a particular colour or just aren't capable of playing around her.
Was thinking maybe {Stoneforge Mystic}. Since it has jumped in price maybe someone has some insider info.