So I want to build a standard heroic deck. It's primary color is obviously white, with {Phalanx Leader}, {Fabled Hero}, {Spear of Heliod}, and probably {Ordeal of Heliod}, the hoplite, celestial flare, and some heroic trigger stuff.
The question is, do I add a secondary color or stay mono white?
{B} offers {Agent of the Fates}, Obzedat, the whip, and some pretty solid heroic triggering spells.
{U} offers {Triton's Tactics} and control elements.
{R} offers additional aggression, {Boros Reckoner} with ease, and burn.
{G} offers trample, fight-effects (great heroic triggers), mana fixing, and some handy selesnya tricks.
Thoughts?
I tried R/W heroic and it turned out terrible. Not a fan. Although I did play a Bant Heroic deck at my last FNM for 1st, and it was sweet! Not sure of you're a fan of control, but this deck was awesome! I can try and recall the cards if you want.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on October 30, 2013, 04:27:22 PM
I tried R/W heroic and it turned out terrible. Not a fan. Although I did play a Bant Heroic deck at my last FNM for 1st, and it was sweet! Not sure of you're a fan of control, but this deck was awesome! I can try and recall the cards if you want.
Would be greatly appreciated if you can, but not worth hurting your brain over ;) if anyone else has tried heroic, I'd live to hear their experiences good and bad
I did {R}{W} heroic at the PreRe, and only lost to {G}{W} heroic. Either of those are good, but I'd do {G}{W} if I were you, because you get {centaur battle master}, {unflinching courage}, {boon satyr}, and {feral invocation} among other stuff.
Selesnya/Simic/Azorius or combo for Bant. I ran a Simic Heroic in limited with unblockable being my win con, and it was terrible for the other side. Not sure how it would stand up in constructed, but I used cards like {Aqueous Form}, {Ordeal of Thassa}, {Ordeal of Nylea}, and {Triton Tactics} for triggers/pumps, and then swung away with creatures like {Polukranos, World Eater}, {Centaur Battlemaster} & {Agent of Horizons}.
B/W is okay! Still need to work out its kinks!
My dear gorzo, a topic I've been chasing since heroic was announced. Allow me to share my personal experience and perception since heroic was announced.
I currently have two builds, I have yet to test one because I've been "devoted" to u/w.
I specifically skipped last format so I could study the upcoming one and heroic is all I could think about.
What I've found is as a splash heroic is suck, unless your primary deck is aura's then its okay as splash.
Don't try to do to much, I've done builds with elspeths and gods and reckoners thunes and fiendslayers. And its all cute and stuff but at the end of the day heroic really only gains synergy from more heroic. Exception being {corpsejack menace}.
So you have heroes. So you need triggers
By far the best trigger for heroic by far is {hidden strings} the shenanigans. I mean really. With double strike and cipher that a {phalanx leader} and {fabled hero} might as well be gg. {Biomass mutation} is pretty silly to.
Other noteable dual triggers
{Common bond}
{Martial glory}
I've had very nice success with u/w so far. I'll post my fnm deck soon. Along with my future r/w build.
In distant future I'm going to attempt a g/w build something about {savage summoning} a {fabled hero} just sounds dirty to me.
The heroics and triggers aren't to hard to do, you'll realize as you build the good choices are there. Its mainly how you look at the format and what you want to do to face them.
For me r/w and u/w have been my attention.
U/w has {detention sphere} and can side into {supreme verdict} {negate} and {dispel}
R/w has {chained to the rocks} and {titans strength} and most Importantly {boros charm}
Bumped my current build in standard section
The boros split spell is {martial glory}.
Okay, so from what I can remember, it was something like this:
Creatures
{Favored Hoplite}
{Soldier of the Panteon}
{Battlewise Hoplite}
{Azorius Arrester}
{Chronicler of Heroes}
{Lyev Skyknight}
Other Spells
{Brave the Elements}
{Gods Willing}
{Warrior's Lesson}
{Selesnya Charm}
{Simic Charm}
Essentially Bant Aggro. This deck is so sweet! He played it extremely tight, it was an intense match!
I'm also considering making
Americas Hero's..... lololol
R/w/u ha...
Wow, {Hidden Strings} is genius.
I might be leaning blue now, maybe Bant to add unflinching courage.
Thanks so much everyone! +1's all around!
Blue for {Gridlock} at Instant speed you do it at the end of their turn and get a TON of benefits! Plus {Battlewise Hoplite} is great.
Also try {Aquous Form} unblock able is sick but Scry every attack is awesome
Quote from: Gorzo on October 30, 2013, 05:25:30 PM
Wow, {Hidden Strings} is genius.
I might be leaning blue now, maybe Bant to add unflinching courage.
Thanks so much everyone! +1's all around!
I have played Esper Cotrollish Midrange during the Game Day... I have played playset of Agent of the fates and Hidden Strings combo there..;) Few Triton Tactics, Thassa and it was really nice... Unfortunately not quick enough. But when I pulled that combo out it was a gg...;)
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 30, 2013, 05:50:05 PM
Blue for {Gridlock} at Instant speed you do it at the end of their turn and get a TON of benefits! Plus {Battlewise Hoplite} is great.
Also try {Aquous Form} unblock able is sick but Scry every attack is awesome
Omg the gridlock....
Wow so good
Aqueous form is great. I just won't cut my protection cards for it
{G} if you want realy monsterous stuff. You also get that one card that transfers counters that can cause heroic to trigger before counters are even on the creature. You also have access to ramp.
You also have acess to great tempo options with white, and fight with green...which I think the fight cards even trigger heroic...wow, cast that on the thing that gets three +1/+1 counters...
Yep. {pit fight} says "target"
There's an even nastier one
I think {mutant's prey} or something
Well its "cheaper"
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on October 30, 2013, 06:00:41 PM
There's an even nastier one
I think {mutant's prey} or something
Well its "cheaper"
though if the creature doesn't already have a +1/+1 counter, it can't target it to fight a creature
{hunt the weak} might be better
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 30, 2013, 05:59:05 PM
Yep. {pit fight} says "target"
Especially good considering {Centaur Battlemaster}
Quote from: Steerpike on October 30, 2013, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 30, 2013, 05:59:05 PM
Yep. {pit fight} says "target"
Especially good considering {Centaur Battlemaster}
and it's realy nasty because it's instant speed XD
Red. It works nicely with heroic :) there are tons of small costing red spells that you can target your creatures with. I have an assassin deck with {agent of the faits} and its great :) {messenger speed} {lighting bolt} or whatever that one cost 1 damage one is :) I target him and start wiping creatures out
You could keep zapping your heroic guys to boost your creatures
I'd say {G}{W}, because all the white heroic, a few green heroic, then all those green triggers like {Giant Growth} and white enchants like {Unflinching Courage} (two color but whatever, it's the same colours as in the deck). Just my onion, of course.
I've got a RW heroic decks and it's sick! Once I finish it ill post it
I run {coordinated assault} for multiple heroic triggers for 1 mana. Target 2 phalanx leaders...oh yeah.
White is a great base but it really needs support. The reason is that it lacks the ability or the punch to overcome some of the other decks currently floating around the meta.
Depending what you are coming up against you will possibly find different results.
Also, creature removal hurts. You need to run {Brave the Elements} or {Gods Willing} or even {Guildscorn Ward} to hold off the chosen removals. {Soldier of the Pantheon} is awesome for this by the way.
Next up you really need to figure out if you want to be running enchantments (auras) to target your guys or cheap spells. This will really change the way you build your deck list.
I've built a heroic deck with each white combo and a green black one and I've found that red/white seems to have the quickest combos to drop out, awesome creatures that you can do some nasty tricks with and just all round solid build.
My green black build (with corpsejack) I found was a little slow and a touch inconsistent. The deck possibly just needed a bit more tweaking but I often found myself with a hand full of cheap spells like {giant growth}s etc and no creature to bomb them on. However when you get it to go off, it's usually a one hit kill.
The advantage I've found with white is the double strike creatures and the amount of synergy and stability you can have in the first 4 turns of the game.
With cheap (and powerful) auras like {Ethereal Armor} and {Madcap Skills} you can swing for lethal out of nowhere.
Also don't under estimate how good evasion is in this setup. (Yes, even flying)
Also when boros is your colours, the amount of great white and red spells that can change the game for you is quite abundant.
As mentioned blue has some amazing synergies but I've found that the red white setup is often twice as fast, and unless you can set up a timely verdict, the game is over by the time you can settle in to a grinder.
With {Aqueous Form} and some cypher spells, you can lock down the board.
I've found that mono blue works almost as well as a blue white setup, focusing a key creature rather than a white weenie setup.
White green is a solid colour setup, but I've found that its availability to ignore the heroic creatures and replace them with better ones seems to make a stronger deck. :P
Mono black can run a heroic sub theme in a black devotion deck quite well, but it then leaves you struggling to deal with enchantments and artifacts.
Good luck. Enjoy the build :)
I'm really liking my blue options with {Triton's Tactics}, {Hidden Strings}, {Gridlock}, and {Aqueous Form}. Are there any really good blue or white/blue creatures I should be sure to include?
Top of my head all I can think of is the u/w hoplite, and {judge's familiar}.
Naya Heroic!
You have burn, pumps and lots of nice cards.
That's what I run agrus
Ispera could get you more cards to work with
So w/b for sure gorzo?
Quote from: Gorzo on October 31, 2013, 02:17:26 AM
I'm really liking my blue options with {Triton's Tactics}, {Hidden Strings}, {Gridlock}, and {Aqueous Form}. Are there any really good blue or white/blue creatures I should be sure to include?
Top of my head all I can think of is the u/w hoplite, and {judge's familiar}.
I dunno but maybe {heliod, god of the sun}
I've toyed with the thought of running the azorious guy with flash for 2/2 and can return a creature you control to your hand so could block and save someone
Oh! Heliod could produce 3/2's with that one card
Having trouble fitting everything. I think all I need to add now is protection ({Gods Willing} and {Brave the Elements}) but I'm already at 60 cards :P this U/W build has a lot more options than I thought it would!
Quote from: Gorzo on October 31, 2013, 05:31:24 PM
Having trouble fitting everything. I think all I need to add now is protection ({Gods Willing} and {Brave the Elements}) but I'm already at 60 cards :P this U/W build has a lot more options than I thought it would!
God tell me about it. I've done 4 similar tries my current being best so far. And I haven't even touched. Trying {hopeful eidoloin} {ethereal armor} {spear of heliod} {detention sphere} combo
Yeah, that's what I found, so I ended up only splashing white for the hoplite. I was mainly running unblockable guys with cipher spells to untap and detain. The blue guys work well one draws you more cards and the other taps down one of theirs. It's all synergy tho, and of course very susceptible to removal. :/
{Triton Fortune Hunter}, {Wavecrash Triton}
Just so you know the {fabled hero} and {phalanx leader} are a cool combo already mentioned
Another silly one is
{Battlewise hoplite} and {triton fortune hunter}
Hidden strings would be
Scry draw scry draw
Did anyone mention {bioshift}. I love that it can trigger heroic on either end of the bant color spectrum. It targets twice for 1cmc and cheats +1+1 counters all over the battlefield.
Quote from: Langku on November 01, 2013, 02:23:03 AM
Did anyone mention {bioshift}. I love that it can trigger heroic on either end of the bant color spectrum. It targets twice for 1cmc and cheats +1+1 counters all over the battlefield.
Especially nice for moving all counters over to {fabled hero} for that last shot
I posted a boros heroic deck in the standard thread if anyone would like to take alook