Not much to be spoiled, but here it is anyways.
Also, new vraska art is laaaame.
Edit: on second inspection, vraska art is fine, however I like the old art better. Jace's new art on the other hand...
I don't like the art. At all.
Where do we find this?
Daily mtg, under the announcing area, which is just below archives. Picture of {door of destinies}.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1346
I actually like the art for vraska, maybe it's just me.
Jace's art.... It is an expensive card right now, and this gets me a few cards along with it. Sounds like a decent investment.
Ahhh sweet! They reprinted Andy Sandberg
I got to say, really disappointed in Wizards for this.
(http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/daily/arcana/ddm-product-shot.jpg)
Another jace dual deck??????? Really?!?!?!?
I was getting ready to find a point to argue on for this...jace's art looks too horrible. It makes him look like some stuck up rich person...
The old duel deck did that too
Imthelolrus put it in perfect terms. That is totally Andy Sandberg
Only good news is that you can get a jace, arch in the duel deck for less than the rtr costs..
Quote from: Avnger345 on October 21, 2013, 08:45:47 AM
Only good news is that you can get a jace, arch in the duel deck for less than the rtr costs..
the ba news is that will drive down the price of the non duel deck one
Omg wtf did the artist do to jace!!! He looks like my retarded 30 year old uncle now!! *lowers head and shakes in shame* I kinda like the newer vraska art over the original
I don't mind Vraska, but her original art was awesome. Especially foil!
I have to agree though I'm not liking the new Jace art. But oh we'll I love the dual decks so it'll be fun.
What colors will each deck be? Will they be tri-colored or 2-colored? Obviously Vraska is {B}{G} but what about Jace. I'd assume {U}{W}
Do you guys think that this .poop. art Jace will ruin the price on the regular Architect's foil cost? I run both of the foils I have and I don't want them to be worthless in a few months :(
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 21, 2013, 07:22:03 AM
I was getting ready to find a point to argue on for this...jace's art looks too horrible. It makes him look like some stuck up rich person...
This is exactly the reason I like the jace art. It gives him more of a personality, in my opinion. More flavor. It looks to me like he settled in Ravinica as a noble of some sort, and he's going off to crush a monster. "Just a minor annoyance..." But little does he know the challenge to come. The challenge that is Vraska, the Unseen.
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
I don't mind Vraska, but her original art was awesome. Especially foil!
I have to agree though I'm not liking the new Jace art. But oh we'll I love the dual decks so it'll be fun.
What colors will each deck be? Will they be tri-colored or 2-colored? Obviously Vraska is {B}{G} but what about Jace. I'd assume {U}{W}
no. Jace is {U}. Also, if there's a second color, I'd say {W} because he's the new guild pact or something
Venser vs. Koth was only 3 colors ({W}{U}{R})
I don't believe Jace will be adopting a second color.
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 21, 2013, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
I don't mind Vraska, but her original art was awesome. Especially foil!
I have to agree though I'm not liking the new Jace art. But oh we'll I love the dual decks so it'll be fun.
What colors will each deck be? Will they be tri-colored or 2-colored? Obviously Vraska is {B}{G} but what about Jace. I'd assume {U}{W}
no. Jace is {U}. Also, if there's a second color, I'd say {W} because he's the new guild pact or something
Ya I made a typo I meant {U}{W} my bad
Reprint of {counterspell}?
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 21, 2013, 02:07:54 PM
Reprint of {counterspell}?
I'd love that but I highly doubt it
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 21, 2013, 02:07:54 PM
Reprint of {counterspell}?
I'd love that but I highly doubt it
I could see it happening since it still won't be modern/standard legal.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 21, 2013, 02:07:54 PM
Reprint of {counterspell}?
I'd love that but I highly doubt it
I could see it happening since it still won't be modern/standard legal.
True but {counterspell} makes every other counter magic card practically useless. Like in a Jace deck I'd assume that there'll be a bit of counter magic and each other counter spell has is some unique way to make it less broken than counterspell yet still useful.
Like negate has to be non creature
Essence Scatter has to be a creature
Dissipate is counter it but its {1} more mana
Now compare it to counterspell and why would anyone ever use these. That's my option on why they shouldn't reprint it.
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 21, 2013, 02:07:54 PM
Reprint of {counterspell}?
I'd love that but I highly doubt it
I could see it happening since it still won't be modern/standard legal.
True but {counterspell} makes every other counter magic card practically useless. Like in a Jace deck I'd assume that there'll be a bit of counter magic and each other counter spell has is some unique way to make it less broken than counterspell yet still useful.
Like negate has to be non creature
Essence Scatter has to be a creature
Dissipate is counter it but its {1} more mana
Now compare it to counterspell and why would anyone ever use these. That's my option on why they shouldn't reprint it.
they could remake it, yet give it a drawback. I love {swan song}. It's my favorite counter spell. Maybe something based off that?
They could just put only the 1 counterspell in it. Izzet vs Golgari had a {Brainstorm} in it.
I like the jace art. It's not too... I don't know how to say it. It looks more real. He looks good. And people are whining about another jace dd. this is his 2nd one.
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 21, 2013, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 02:16:17 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 21, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 21, 2013, 02:07:54 PM
Reprint of {counterspell}?
I'd love that but I highly doubt it
I could see it happening since it still won't be modern/standard legal.
True but {counterspell} makes every other counter magic card practically useless. Like in a Jace deck I'd assume that there'll be a bit of counter magic and each other counter spell has is some unique way to make it less broken than counterspell yet still useful.
Like negate has to be non creature
Essence Scatter has to be a creature
Dissipate is counter it but its {1} more mana
Now compare it to counterspell and why would anyone ever use these. That's my option on why they shouldn't reprint it.
they could remake it, yet give it a drawback. I love {swan song}. It's my favorite counter spell. Maybe something based off that?
I love how {Swan Song} is $2 normal and then $16 non foil lol but I agree it is a fun card
This duel deck is horrible and lacks any sort of flavor. In the RTR 3 part novels centered around jace, there is no mention of any sort of conflict between jace and vraska. In fact ral zarek and jace had a big battle at the end of the implicit maze.
And as everyone else is already voicing the art is horrible.
This makes me a sad panda :(
Quote from: Leevai420 on October 21, 2013, 07:42:38 PM
This duel deck is horrible and lacks any sort of flavor. In the RTR 3 part novels centered around jace, there is no mention of any sort of conflict between jace and vraska. In fact ral zarek and jace had a big battle at the end of the implicit maze.
And as everyone else is already voicing the art is horrible.
This makes me a sad panda :(
We don't even know what's in the decks.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on October 21, 2013, 08:29:06 PM
Quote from: Leevai420 on October 21, 2013, 07:42:38 PM
This duel deck is horrible and lacks any sort of flavor. In the RTR 3 part novels centered around jace, there is no mention of any sort of conflict between jace and vraska. In fact ral zarek and jace had a big battle at the end of the implicit maze.
And as everyone else is already voicing the art is horrible.
This makes me a sad panda :(
We don't even know what's in the decks.
Between the stupid looking art, the reprint of both planeswalkers in RTR (which is just lazy) and the blatant disregard of any logical story line, I have to agree with Leevai420
Jace vs Domri would have been awesome, as would Jace vs Ral, seeing as they actually fought
I'd take deck quality over storylines any day. Sure the art is wack, but that doesn't make the decks poor.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on October 21, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
I'd take deck quality over storylines any day. Sure the art is wack, but that doesn't make the decks poor.
👆👍. Canon and lore doesn't win games.
Also, on Drive to Work #62, Mark talked about how they're trying to find a balance between telling lore through cards and the books. So Jace and Vraska could very well get into a fight and this Duel Deck is Wizard's way of telling that story. Doing it through cards instead of novels.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on October 21, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
I'd take deck quality over storylines any day. Sure the art is wack, but that doesn't make the decks poor.
👆👍. Canon and lore doesn't win games.
No one uses duel decks as serious decks.They aren't standard legal and many times aren't even modern legal (and especially not modern playable). It would be interesting though to show up to FNM with one of the decks and see what people say...
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 21, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on October 21, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
I'd take deck quality over storylines any day. Sure the art is wack, but that doesn't make the decks poor.
👆👍. Canon and lore doesn't win games.
No one uses duel decks as serious decks.They aren't standard legal and many times aren't even modern legal (and especially not modern playable). It would be interesting though to show up to FNM with one of the decks and see what people say...
Have you ever tried one of these premade decks? I've only ever bought 1 which was ajani vs bolas. The bolas deck had fun cards but the ajani deck simply won games. I played my friends casual, legacy, modern and standard decks...sure he won a few games but the honest conclusion was the ajani vengeant deck was well made and won a lot more then it lost. Let's wait till the decks are spoiled before drawing conclusions. As stated before art and lore matter not in a game.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 21, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on October 21, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
I'd take deck quality over storylines any day. Sure the art is wack, but that doesn't make the decks poor.
👆👍. Canon and lore doesn't win games.
No one uses duel decks as serious decks.They aren't standard legal and many times aren't even modern legal (and especially not modern playable). It would be interesting though to show up to FNM with one of the decks and see what people say...
Well yeah but I'd rather get quality cards out of a DD rather than something thrown together for the sake of sticking to the lore.
M point is everyone is grumbling about how Vraska and Jace never fought, but who cares as long as they put some sweet stuff in the decks?
I might get the walkers for my collection, but that's about it.
Just came in to say the artwork is .poo..
Yay this was stickied :D
Quote from: Dudecore on October 21, 2013, 04:40:11 PM
They could just put only the 1 counterspell in it. Izzet vs Golgari had a {Brainstorm} in it.
I think you mean {Overwhelming Intellect}
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on October 21, 2013, 11:27:21 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on October 21, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 21, 2013, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: NyghtHawk on October 21, 2013, 09:01:17 PM
I'd take deck quality over storylines any day. Sure the art is wack, but that doesn't make the decks poor.
👆👍. Canon and lore doesn't win games.
No one uses duel decks as serious decks.They aren't standard legal and many times aren't even modern legal (and especially not modern playable). It would be interesting though to show up to FNM with one of the decks and see what people say...
Have you ever tried one of these premade decks? I've only ever bought 1 which was ajani vs bolas. The bolas deck had fun cards but the ajani deck simply won games. I played my friends casual, legacy, modern and standard decks...sure he won a few games but the honest conclusion was the ajani vengeant deck was well made and won a lot more then it lost. Let's wait till the decks are spoiled before drawing conclusions. As stated before art and lore matter not in a game.
Same story with the Knights vs Dragons decks, the Dragon deck was cool but slow. The Knights deck, however, dominated our play group for weeks!
Quote from: Minecraft1 on October 22, 2013, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 21, 2013, 04:40:11 PM
They could just put only the 1 counterspell in it. Izzet vs Golgari had a {Brainstorm} in it.
I think you mean {Overwhelming Intellect}
It also had {brainstorm}.
Jace looks like sal the lawyer from breaking bad.
Quote from: Raiderrob on October 22, 2013, 08:16:20 AM
Jace looks like sal the lawyer from breaking bad.
Hahah he does! Now we know what Better Call Saul will be about: Saul Goodman fighting planeswalkers.
If this duel deck followed the lore it would be epic. Jace vs ral would bring mono blue control for jace, so cards like {counterspell}, {spell pierce}, {spell snare}, {fact or fiction}. The usual blue control stuff then put it against ral who is more red than red blue, he would have burn spells like {light bolt}, {magma jet}, {fireblast}, {electrolyze}. Mabe {wee dragnaughts}, or {kiln fiend}.
Flavor and story can make an epic deck, so there! to all you nay Sayers!
I would think Jace's deck will be {U}{W} after helping mend the guild pact. This is the last time I'm saying this though. Also, Varaska's biggest quarrels were with the Azrious
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Vraska
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 22, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
I would think Jace's deck will be {U}{W} after helping mend the guild pact. This is the last time I'm saying this though. Also, Varaska's biggest quarrels were with the Azrious
http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Vraska
The azorious were chasing down jace through the whole 3 part book tryin to arrest him.
Bottom line is jace is the new guild pact. Everyone on ravnica has to listen to him and go word is law. Niv Mizzet even backs down when jace denies him the right to attack selesnya, so once again this lacks any flavor and story line critical to rtr.
They shouldn't have done this deck. I know Jace sells product for Wizards. But think about it - we already had Golgari (Izzet vs. Golgari) and Jace (Jace vs. Chandra). It should've been like Gideon vs. Domri Rade or something. But Gideon is pretty much junk, and Jace is the Mickey Mouse of MtG (most iconic)
Quote from: Dudecore on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
They shouldn't have done this deck. I know Jace sells product for Wizards. But think about it - we already had Golgari (Izzet vs. Golgari) and Jace (Jace vs. Chandra). It should've been like Gideon vs. Domri Rade or something. But Gideon is pretty much junk, and Jace is the Mickey Mouse of MtG (most iconic)
Would have been more interesting to see Domri vs Vraska...
Life and Death vs Death and Recycling...
Quote from: Dudecore on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
They shouldn't have done this deck. I know Jace sells product for Wizards. But think about it - we already had Golgari (Izzet vs. Golgari) and Jace (Jace vs. Chandra). It should've been like Gideon vs. Domri Rade or something. But Gideon is pretty much junk, and Jace is the Mickey Mouse of MtG (most iconic)
I feel the same way I'd rather see {Venser, the Sojourner} vs. {Domri Rade} for an awesome match between law and the wild
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 22, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
They shouldn't have done this deck. I know Jace sells product for Wizards. But think about it - we already had Golgari (Izzet vs. Golgari) and Jace (Jace vs. Chandra). It should've been like Gideon vs. Domri Rade or something. But Gideon is pretty much junk, and Jace is the Mickey Mouse of MtG (most iconic)
I feel the same way I'd rather see {Venser, the Sojourner} vs. {Domri Rade} for an awesome match between law and the wild
venser isn't law. {U}{W} isn't just about law
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 22, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 22, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
They shouldn't have done this deck. I know Jace sells product for Wizards. But think about it - we already had Golgari (Izzet vs. Golgari) and Jace (Jace vs. Chandra). It should've been like Gideon vs. Domri Rade or something. But Gideon is pretty much junk, and Jace is the Mickey Mouse of MtG (most iconic)
I feel the same way I'd rather see {Venser, the Sojourner} vs. {Domri Rade} for an awesome match between law and the wild
venser isn't law. {U}{W} isn't just about law
My bad. Just actually read what Venser did lol
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 22, 2013, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on October 22, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Mattao19 on October 22, 2013, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 22, 2013, 11:27:54 AM
They shouldn't have done this deck. I know Jace sells product for Wizards. But think about it - we already had Golgari (Izzet vs. Golgari) and Jace (Jace vs. Chandra). It should've been like Gideon vs. Domri Rade or something. But Gideon is pretty much junk, and Jace is the Mickey Mouse of MtG (most iconic)
I feel the same way I'd rather see {Venser, the Sojourner} vs. {Domri Rade} for an awesome match between law and the wild
venser isn't law. {U}{W} isn't just about law
My bad. Just actually read what Venser did lol
besides. Venser gave up his spark to save Karn from being phrexified. Some argue he's dead, while I think he was brought back to life he (like Teferi) no longer has his spark
Interestingly, Teferi's nickname for Karn when he was young and immature was "arty shovel head"
The new jace art looks weird, if the old {Vraska} was never printed the new art would look a lot cooler, but did you guys notic this is for $20 when Jace is going for $35. There is a lot of value in this for $20
Quote from: Bman0121 on October 23, 2013, 08:28:55 AM
The new jace art looks weird, if the old {Vraska} was never printed the new art would look a lot cooler, but did you guys notic this is for $20 when Jace is going for $35. There is a lot of value in this for $20
It's not coming out until march 2014.... The question is will jace hold his value until then.
Quote from: Leevai420 on October 23, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on October 23, 2013, 08:28:55 AM
The new jace art looks weird, if the old {Vraska} was never printed the new art would look a lot cooler, but did you guys notic this is for $20 when Jace is going for $35. There is a lot of value in this for $20
It's not coming out until march 2014.... The question is will jace hold his value until then.
He should, anyone who buys this deck is going to want one to replace that terrible art
Quote from: S717 on October 23, 2013, 11:38:11 AM
Quote from: Leevai420 on October 23, 2013, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on October 23, 2013, 08:28:55 AM
The new jace art looks weird, if the old {Vraska} was never printed the new art would look a lot cooler, but did you guys notic this is for $20 when Jace is going for $35. There is a lot of value in this for $20
It's not coming out until march 2014.... The question is will jace hold his value until then.
He should, anyone who buys this deck is going to want one to replace that terrible art
maybe this is a brilliant conspiracy to raise his value? :P
I'll buy all the ugly ones and use the money I saved to invest in more {Deathrite Shaman}
Hahaha, what I found on Facebook: "Duel Decks, Tom Cruise vs Vraska?"
But I agree ^^^ I'd rather have an ugly Jace and a {Deathrite Shaman} than a less ugly Jace.
i will be honest, this duel deck is more disappointing than sorin vs tibalt
Quote from: onyx_gr_wolf on November 12, 2013, 04:37:31 PM
i will be honest, this duel deck is more disappointing than sorin vs tibalt
'Nuff said
I think the art is pretty cool in a way.
It show's that Jace "evolved" and now as a responsability to protect Ravnica.
Sure it's different of what we're used to but story and beings change and evolve so it's cool that the art kinda reflects that.
It's just my opinion.
Quote from: Mizark on January 04, 2014, 12:05:21 PM
I think the art is pretty cool in a way.
It show's that Jace "evolved" and now as a responsability to protect Ravnica.
Sure it's different of what we're used to but story and beings change and evolve so it's cool that the art kinda reflects that.
It's just my opinion.
It makes him look like a rich brat IMO.
Quote from: Mishra, Artificer Extraordinaire on January 04, 2014, 12:26:23 PM
Quote from: Mizark on January 04, 2014, 12:05:21 PM
I think the art is pretty cool in a way.
It show's that Jace "evolved" and now as a responsability to protect Ravnica.
Sure it's different of what we're used to but story and beings change and evolve so it's cool that the art kinda reflects that.
It's just my opinion.
It makes him look like a rich brat IMO.
Yeah, it was better when he was a vagrant brat...
Those can't be the real art images I've seen...
They look like cgi renderings from 1998
Have lists been released?
they need to hurry up and release lists
Quote from: Noblellama on January 09, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
Like Aladin!
And how can you suck more than Tibalt?
Believe it or not, I like Tibalt, my Modern deck is built around discarding cards and he's the best way to do it
Quote from: Sparkle Ninja on January 27, 2014, 10:21:44 PM
Quote from: Noblellama on January 09, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
Like Aladin!
And how can you suck more than Tibalt?
Believe it or not, I like Tibalt, my Modern deck is built around discarding cards and he's the best way to do it
Do you have a deck list? I'd like to see it.
Pretty sure there are creatures that get stronger when you discard cards? Also Hellbent effects?
I toyed with a Tibalt hellbent, trying to mix it with {Chandra Ablaze} ultimate and some Grixis unearth type effects.
I think {imthelolrus} will be in the set
I would love to have {Circular Logic} in the Jace deck... I don't know. Maybe it's just me...
*fingers crossed*
{Pernicious Deed}...{Pernicious Deed}...{Pernicious Deed}..{Pernicious Deed}...
Anything on the dueldecks
I just read that the duel decks will have {Remand} in it. I don't know if this is 100% accurate, but I hope it is.
Its true! All the stuff is in Gatherer: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&set=[%22Duel%20Decks:%20Jace%20vs.%20Vraska%22]
Edit: Wizards shut down Gatherer because of the leak.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on February 25, 2014, 06:12:46 PM
Its true! All the stuff is in Gatherer: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&set=[%22Duel%20Decks:%20Jace%20vs.%20Vraska%22]
Edit: Wizards shut down Gatherer because of the leak.
If that's true
Sell your remands lol
What else can you recall from it?
Here is the art for it:
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/70c30951a7b4bcced9c546bbe3a055c7/tumblr_n1kq7tdd0g1tophcho1_250.jpg)
Here's the link to the gatherer search that shows (I assume) all the cards in the set:
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&set=%5B%22Duel%20Decks:%20Jace%20vs.%20Vraska%22%5D
Terrible artwork confirmed :(
(For jace/vraska)
Quote from: Muggywuggy on February 25, 2014, 06:57:41 PM
Terrible artwork confirmed :(
(For jace/vraska)
Its still a {Remand}...
{Future Sight} and {Putrid Leech} look sweet!!
I might have to buy 4 of these!!
Will I buy it? No.
If there was a {snapcaster mage} or a {Pernacious Deed} but sadly no
Here are the official decklists: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1438