I've heard this remark from many people at my local card shop, as well as "dirty casual". I was grown on casual and most of my decks are casual. I get hate from friends because I play casual. What ever happened to playing the game to have fun? Why is casual "so bad"? I'm not sure if this is just around my area, or if others see/hear this too.
Dirty casual?
Most (all) of the people at the LGS I used to go to only played Standard. The group I was playing with for awhile only played Standard as well, but said it was cool that I used my Casual decks against them. Then they complained about an "unfair advantage" when I beat them even though they said it was cool in the first place. I dropped those suckers and now I'm working on building up a Casual playgroup.
Every magic player ever needs a Commander deck so they can have some fun with the deck
I'm still new, but I play anyone.. It's not like there's someone keeping tabs on my wins and losses so I just like seeing how my deck does against random decks. That's just me I guess, a noob's insight.
Problems with casual can be boiled down to the fact there are no boundaries. A game without rules isn't fun...if someone abuses the lack of rules. Sure regular game play rules are in place but no restrictions on deck building is a huge issue if anyone takes the time to make a turn one or two kill or OP board position. This possibility of just getting blown out by someone's fun combo or lightning fast aggro deck just ruins the game's longevity.
Most players fix this by playing an established format like standard or commander, but there are other options. If your play group is reasonable you can set boundaries to what you can use however anyone outside of the group becomes instantly alienated by not knowing your casual restrictions.
I love playing casual with even powered decks but a "keeping up with the joneses" mentality eventually sets in as people try to slowly one up each other.
Quote from: gtfotis on August 26, 2013, 10:42:48 PM
I'm still new, but I play anyone.. It's not like there's someone keeping tabs on my wins and losses so I just like seeing how my deck does against random decks. That's just me I guess, a noob's insight.
I've been playin since zendikar and this is what I do. My lgs only does standard but I play test against modern and casual decks to get an idea of how good my deck is. Honestly, I just enjoy the game.
Our friends at our LGS poke fun at Noah and I, saying things like, "who only plays modern and EDH. That's so weird". If a casual player wants to play against me I say "sure, ill play you. But my deck is competitive modern." Just so they know what they are getting themselves into. Haha.
I make standard based decks for my students to learn the game, how to build and run a deck. However, I play with them using my casual decks with cards as far back as Beta, not to WINWINWIN but to keep them on a level fair playing field against each other.
I just feel like the "casual sucks" player play for both fun and win, but the win does out rule the fun even slightly. Old school and true casual gamers just play for the giggles I feel and if there's a win, well happy days!
I hear you bro,my friend does the same thing when me and my other friend play modern.He asks:"Why modern?",and we answer:"Because we like to",then he says:"Why not standard?",we say:"Because we like modern."Then he just stares at us in disgust for the rest of the day.For him,it's all WIN here WIN there(just like Charlie Sheen's 20/20 interview on Good Morning America mash-ups).When he loses he's always a grouch.Although it depends on his mood,sometimes he gets mad,other times he calmly displays his disappointment,like the one time I was playing Azorius Control and just shut him down on turn 6. He conceded after that,he said"Well,you {Oblivion Ring}ed my {Liliana of the Dark Realms}, I was supposed to get it back by using a {Cyclonic Rift}, but you milled that with your {Psycic Spiral} and also some other cards that were vital to my victory.That's why I concede."
See! That's why you play casual! Why limit yourself to plans A, B and C in a standard deck when you could have the WHOLE alphabet! 😜
Our group has this as a policy: Who cares? We can basically use whatever we want, although standard decks are most common because standard decks can be used almost anywhere. Although I am pretty bumbed because we usually play during lunch at school and this year I don't have any lunches because of stupid AP classes.
I say, try all formats. Standard is stupid anyway
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 27, 2013, 07:14:37 AM
Standard is stupid anyway
This, like honestly, why bother spending time and money perfecting a deck that in a couple months will be completely useless in its format, look at all the pre rotation decks, as soon as innistrad block rotates out they all lose major components, sometimes even half the deck, which is why I only play casual and commander, more fun plus i don't lose half my deck with every new set that gets released
Some sort of deck is going to survive rotation
RDW will, but reanimator got boned unless we see a good reanimate in theros, Blitz is keeping some stuff but lost some of its anti-control({Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}) and heavy hitters({Champion of the Parish}). hexproof is losing some of its main creatures, but it is getting some things back. At least Pillow Fort is going to thrive, right?
I love modern. I feel like it blends the diversity of casual and the boundaries of standard and finds a balanced medium of the two .
Edh is just straight up enjoyable. It really seems to emphasize fun over winning and makes net decking a non-issue.
I'm actually pro "I only play standard" to a degree. Casual games especially have been awful in my experience. From fluctuator stupidity to the old fart who thought it fun to crush newbs with essentially a vintage deck, casual decks are where the assholes bend the rules. EDH and modern are fun, but it can be frustrating playing against decks that combo off turn four (Lookin at you Jhoira) and a lot of players just don't have the cards to play modem (reprint the .loving. fetch lands WotC). Standard is the deck most players own and most accessible format, so it's the default..
Sets in standard stay legal for close to a year before rotating out, way more than "a couple months."
And standard isn't that expensive when you consider alone the cost of fetch lands for modern and legacy.
Those two formats have 2-300 dollars in land costs alone (a lot more in most cases) if you want to stay at a competitive level.
Quote from: Boringanarchy2 on August 29, 2013, 02:43:21 AM
I'm actually pro "I only play standard" to a degree. Casual games especially have been awful in my experience. From fluctuator stupidity to the old fart who thought it fun to crush newbs with essentially a vintage deck, casual decks are where the assholes bend the rules. EDH and modern are fun, but it can be frustrating playing against decks that combo off turn four (Lookin at you Jhoira) and a lot of players just don't have the cards to play modem (reprint the .loving. fetch lands WotC). Standard is the deck most players own and most accessible format, so it's the default..
Youve made a lot of unsubstantiated comments in there and a wee personal attack. Lolz.
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on August 29, 2013, 01:25:25 AM
RDW will, but reanimator got boned unless we see a good reanimate in theros, Blitz is keeping some stuff but lost some of its anti-control({Thalia, Guardian of Thraben}) and heavy hitters({Champion of the Parish}). hexproof is losing some of its main creatures, but it is getting some things back. At least Pillow Fort is going to thrive, right?
the third set "journey into nix" might give us some good reanimator stuff. Because isn't Nyx the underworld of this set?
Why limit yourself to one format? Doesn't make sense to me. It's like playing Team Fortress 2 and limiting yourself to playing only as the sniper. Sure, playing sniper is fun, and by playing it exclusively you'll probably get really damn good at it, but at the same time, you're denying yourself of the 8 other ways to have fun. So why limit yourself to one mode of many?
Just my opinion, of course. And sure, there are certainly some reasons to avoid certain formats (like the insane price tag in vintage/legacy), or simply personal preferences drawing you more into one than others. But hey, whatever makes you happy playing magic, I say that's what you do.
Do you have to have fetches to play standard? Isn't there some other way?
IMO the best thing to do is to play Standard with Modern or Commander. That way when the Shocklands you spent too much on leave standard you can still use them. Also when they reprint stuff (like the RTR Shocklands) you already have it.
If the "hewy" block is zenkidar, I think we'll see the fetch lands again. How many years has it been sense zenkidar? It looks like we're returning to planes every seven years
Edit: aw crap. Hewy is lorwyn
I really liked alot of cards in lorwyn
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on August 29, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I really liked alot of cards in lorwyn
Lorwyn / Morningtide / Shadowmoor / Eventide had some of the most fun cards in all of mtg history, IMO. It makes me sad that I wasn't around in the mtg world to play them when they were in print, and I'm only able to play with them as treasures of the past.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 29, 2013, 09:02:14 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on August 29, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I really liked alot of cards in lorwyn
Lorwyn / Morningtide / Shadowmoor / Eventide had some of the most fun cards in all of mtg history, IMO. It makes me sad that I wasn't around in the mtg world to play them when they were in print, and I'm only able to play with them as treasures of the past.
The moment {Oona, Queen of the Fae} entered standard, THEN I was happy to play Standard and my individuality tribal muscle was flexed to the max!
Quote from: Mothaelon on August 29, 2013, 03:35:52 AM
Sets in standard stay legal for close to a year before rotating out, way more than "a couple months."
True, however that isn't what I said, what I meant by what I said is that a set rotates out every couple months
My playgroup can play casual because everyone is on a budget and im a huge johnny,
I like standard too because tier one decks are less expensive and i sell stuff thats rotating 3 months before it does as to not lose money.
I mostly make crazy decks like for standard i have my deck switch from Uwr control to RWu agro to confuse my opponents. In legacy im building a deck based off of {dwarven shrine} {shadowborn apostle} and self mill to win with a "strictly unplayable card" but honestly there are different formats for different people and thats why there is more than 1 format.
I'll play a lot of things, but when I play a format my friends don't tgey'll say "Oh Ill just edit my deck", then put in cards not legal in the format and say "You play what I don't so I should get to play with what I want". It's obnoxious. Also, my FNM gets MUCH less people at anything but standard, mostly modern (MY favorite). So yeah, that's just what I say.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 29, 2013, 09:02:14 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on August 29, 2013, 08:57:43 PM
I really liked alot of cards in lorwyn
Lorwyn / Morningtide / Shadowmoor / Eventide had some of the most fun cards in all of mtg history, IMO. It makes me sad that I wasn't around in the mtg world to play them when they were in print, and I'm only able to play with them as treasures of the past.
Lol those are my favorite sets. I love the flavor in each if them! I started in zendikar so I, like you, didn't get the full effect.