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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Empathie on August 14, 2013, 10:15:02 PM

Title: Counterspell
Post by: Empathie on August 14, 2013, 10:15:02 PM
Can u play them by themselves with nothing else on stack and or counter itself?
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: Arbitratur on August 14, 2013, 10:21:50 PM
No, no viable targets
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: prayos on August 15, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
You can cast them. But they'll fizzle as there are no valid targets.
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 15, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: prayos on August 15, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
You can cast them. But they'll fizzle as there are no valid targets.
No. You can not cast it period. You can announce it, but when you pick a mode and then targets if you dont have one then you put it back in your hand and proceed with the game.

Casting order:
Announce
Mode
Target
Cost increase
Cost decrease
Pay mana
Place on stack (cast)
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: prayos on August 15, 2013, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 15, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: prayos on August 15, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
You can cast them. But they'll fizzle as there are no valid targets.
No. You can not cast it period. You can announce it, but when you pick a mode and then targets if you dont have one then you put it back in your hand and proceed with the game.

Casting order:
Announce
Mode
Target
Cost increase
Cost decrease
Pay mana
Place on stack (cast)

Pick a mode? Never heard of this. Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: Kaleo42 on August 15, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
{izzet charm}

Has 3 modes. You have to pick the mode so you know what is a legal target. You cant deal 2 damage to a spell or counter a permanent. Also the mode tells you if you even need a target such as draw 2 discard 2.
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: Gorzo on August 15, 2013, 04:40:42 PM
Quote from: prayos on August 15, 2013, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 15, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
Quote from: prayos on August 15, 2013, 03:53:02 PM
You can cast them. But they'll fizzle as there are no valid targets.
No. You can not cast it period. You can announce it, but when you pick a mode and then targets if you dont have one then you put it back in your hand and proceed with the game.

Casting order:
Announce
Mode
Target
Cost increase
Cost decrease
Pay mana
Place on stack (cast)

Pick a mode? Never heard of this. Can you elaborate?

Some spells have modes, or options that need chosen upon casting. The best example that comes to mind is the Lorwyn Commands. Take {Cryptic Command} for example. Notice the choose 2 followed by all of the 'or' options. This is it's mode. after you announce the spell, you choose it's mode (select the options) first.
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: prayos on August 15, 2013, 04:44:23 PM
Ah, okay. I honestly thought you could cast any spell, even if there was no valid target. That the spell would just fizzle. Good to know.
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: Birdbrain on August 15, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 15, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
{izzet charm}

Has 3 modes. You have to pick the mode so you know what is a legal target. You cant deal 2 damage to a spell or counter a permanent. Also the mode tells you if you even need a target such as draw 2 discard 2.
you can do 2 damage to ANY spell? :P
Title: Re: Counterspell
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on August 15, 2013, 06:56:20 PM
Woah...that's like bouncing an emblem territory...