Users accused: MissingKirby
Victims: myself, DirtyMustachio,
Summary: We finalized a trade July 24th. He then gave a personal reason for being unable to send on Aug 1st.. He has recieved my cards, disappeared, & I noticed he was online today & has yet to reply to my inquiry about if my deathrite is in the mail or not.
Preliminary Evidence: available, & can be supplied.
It should be noted that he said he was in the hospital and that's why he couldn't send.
He also had a trade with me back in February in which he took a very long time to send and tried to back out of the trade after I'd already sent my end, saying that his grandmother was in the hospital. I did have a good trade with him afterwards. He is a very inconsistent trader.
I don't think your the only one. Check the trusted traders list there are a few people that have him as cautionary or untrustworthy.
MissingKirby has gone missing?? How ironic, somebody call da POlice lol
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 10, 2013, 08:46:59 PM
MissingKirby has gone missing?? How ironic, somebody call da POlice lol
Lol nice you got so many +1 off this.
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on August 11, 2013, 12:23:16 AM
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 10, 2013, 08:46:59 PM
MissingKirby has gone missing?? How ironic, somebody call da POlice lol
Lol nice you got so many +1 off this.
I try my best ;) maybe he's with king Dedede
Lol
Hahaha I got pinged for making a joke? Ppl are so sensitive
This is a place for trials. Fun is a place for jokes.
True. I just found it too hard to pass up xD
Thanks Piotr, I'm hoping others will come forward. I know many have had both positive and negative experiences with MissingKirby and I'd like to hear from them.
I would also like to hear from you, MissingKirby. If I don't hear from you or receive my deathrite shaman in 5 business days I am moving you to my untrustworthy traders.
Quote from: imthelolrus on August 11, 2013, 01:49:49 PMmy untrustworthy traders.
Interesting idea. How about we make a report similar to Karma log, showing people marked as trustworthy and untrustworthy. Everyone can mark everyone and see their private report, similar to Karma. It would be a drop down in someone else's Profile for us to change (Enemy, Untrusted, Neutral, Trusted, Friend, Spouse). Moderators and Patrons can see everyone's report?
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: imthelolrus on August 11, 2013, 01:49:49 PMmy untrustworthy traders.
Interesting idea. How about we make a report similar to Karma log, showing people marked as trustworthy and untrustworthy. Everyone can mark everyone and see their private report, similar to Karma. It would be a drop down in someone else's Profile for us to change (Enemy, Untrusted, Neutral, Trusted, Friend, Spouse). Moderators and Patrons can see everyone's report?
I LIKE this idea.
We would have people who just run around being jerks, listing people as untrustworthy without reason. If we did do that we would have to have some kind of trials to change it if someone is listed as untrustworthy when they really aren't or they would have to list a reason and prove it.
We don't have trials for reviews in the App Store, and perhaps for the better?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
We would have people who just run around being jerks, listing people as untrustworthy without reason. If we did do that we would have to have some kind of trials to change it if someone is listed as untrustworthy when they really aren't or they would have to list a reason and prove it.
I meant if we were to implement the suggestion above (about marking people on their pages as untrustworthy) there would have to be some kind of overview to stop people from marking others as untrustworthy without reason.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
We would have people who just run around being jerks, listing people as untrustworthy without reason. If we did do that we would have to have some kind of trials to change it if someone is listed as untrustworthy when they really aren't or they would have to list a reason and prove it.
I meant if we were to implement the suggestion above (about marking people on their pages as untrustworthy) there would have to be some kind of overview to stop people from marking others as untrustworthy without reason.
We don't have that for Karma, why for this?
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 02:26:02 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
We would have people who just run around being jerks, listing people as untrustworthy without reason. If we did do that we would have to have some kind of trials to change it if someone is listed as untrustworthy when they really aren't or they would have to list a reason and prove it.
I meant if we were to implement the suggestion above (about marking people on their pages as untrustworthy) there would have to be some kind of overview to stop people from marking others as untrustworthy without reason.
We don't have that for Karma, why for this?
We have mods who watch karma, also karma could just imply that the person is outspoken where if it were to say untrustworthy right on your profile that would deter trades, which wouldn't be fair to the person who was marked as untrustworthy if he hasn't done anything to deserve the label.
Say, if i think you're untrustworthy, you are untrustworthy to me. It's a fact. You may disagree but I still don't trust you.
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Say, if i think you're untrustworthy, you are untrustworthy to me. It's a fact. You may disagree but I still don't trust you.
Yeah, I really like this idea.
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Say, if i think you're untrustworthy, you are untrustworthy to me. It's a fact. You may disagree but I still don't trust you.
I agree, but I don't even think I'm trustworthy
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Say, if i think you're untrustworthy, you are untrustworthy to me. It's a fact. You may disagree but I still don't trust you.
But what stops me from making an account and marking you as untrustworthy for no reason other than I felt like it?
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Say, if i think you're untrustworthy, you are untrustworthy to me. It's a fact. You may disagree but I still don't trust you.
But what stops me from making an account and marking you as untrustworthy for no reason other than I felt like it?
What stops you from doing the same thing with karma?
Quote from: EvACiDe on August 11, 2013, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Say, if i think you're untrustworthy, you are untrustworthy to me. It's a fact. You may disagree but I still don't trust you.
But what stops me from making an account and marking you as untrustworthy for no reason other than I felt like it?
What stops you from doing the same thing with karma?
Mods have some control over karma, and if you have low karma it doesn't necessarily mean anything other than someone doesn't like you where if it were to say you are an untrustworthy trader it would imply that well, you can't be trusted, which might result in the loss of a potential trade. If we didn't have some sort of oversight than it would end up being an unreliable source and be worthless, so what is the point of implementing it if it is just going to end up meaning nothing?
According to your logic, Karma as we have it is worthless. This is highly disputable.
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 05:46:54 PM
According to your logic, Karma as we have it is worthless. This is highly disputable.
It's not worthless, but because anyone can affect your karma and because it has little oversight, karma is a very unreliable number.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 05:46:54 PM
According to your logic, Karma as we have it is worthless. This is highly disputable.
It's not worthless, but because anyone can affect your karma and because it has little oversight, karma is a very unreliable number.
I don't know, it seems quite reliable in the long run. Even helps to detect people like Kuberr.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 11, 2013, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 05:46:54 PM
According to your logic, Karma as we have it is worthless. This is highly disputable.
It's not worthless, but because anyone can affect your karma and because it has little oversight, karma is a very unreliable number.
I would argue there is plenty of oversight
Quote from: Piotr on August 11, 2013, 05:46:54 PM
According to your logic, Karma as we have it is worthless. This is highly disputable.
Karma is worthless. It causes so many pointless disputes it's almost laughable. It's one redeeming feature is to give a very, very general idea on how the community feels about the persons ideals. Past that and it's a system I feel causes more harm than good.
Karma in a vacuum is fairly useless. In the grand scheme of things it does point out generally helpful people. There are inadequacies, ways abuse it and ways to gain plenty of it. But all and all, I think it's relatively positive system.
Well. Like 4-6 months ago, I actually was setting up a trade. It was my foiled domri rade for his foiled obzedat. I really liked that trade and said sure. He asked if I could send first and I asked him why not send at the same time. He declined that and wouldn't answer back. (This was when we had kik)
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on August 11, 2013, 07:00:05 PM
Well. Like 4-6 months ago, I actually was setting up a trade. It was my foiled domri rade for his foiled obzedat. I really liked that trade and said sure. He asked if I could send first and I asked him why not send at the same time. He declined that and wouldn't answer back. (This was when we had kik)
I'm not sure if your situation applies, you pulled quite the stunt with your most recent trades.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on August 11, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on August 11, 2013, 07:00:05 PM
Well. Like 4-6 months ago, I actually was setting up a trade. It was my foiled domri rade for his foiled obzedat. I really liked that trade and said sure. He asked if I could send first and I asked him why not send at the same time. He declined that and wouldn't answer back. (This was when we had kik)
I'm not sure if your situation applies, you pulled quite the stunt with your most recent trades.
I mean yea, I know, but I just wanted to inform of this with our stating my stunts. I returned he cards.
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on August 12, 2013, 12:01:58 AM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on August 11, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on August 11, 2013, 07:00:05 PM
Well. Like 4-6 months ago, I actually was setting up a trade. It was my foiled domri rade for his foiled obzedat. I really liked that trade and said sure. He asked if I could send first and I asked him why not send at the same time. He declined that and wouldn't answer back. (This was when we had kik)
I'm not sure if your situation applies, you pulled quite the stunt with your most recent trades.
I mean yea, I know, but I just wanted to inform of this with our stating my stunts. I returned he cards.
But wasted a LOT of ppls time in the process
Ok but even though I did that, I actually come fourth on the trial, unlike some people. I should have a right to speak my story as much as you guys do, even though I did screw some people over
I think a trustworthy trader rating could be valuable. If the karma and trustworthiness of the users who rated the trades was listed by their rating it would help me decide how viable the rating really is. For example, if Joe-user got an untrusted trader mark but then right below it i saw it was from Kuberr who has -54 karma and 12 untrusted trader marks, it would erase most of my worry. We have a pretty good handle on who the "Richards" are around here.
And furthermore, a few negative feedbacks on ebay or tcgplayer sellers never stopped me from using those sellers. The one time I used I guy who had lots of negative feedback, I got screwed. I learned not to trust them after that. Those ratings systems have served me well. I think one here would do the same.
Maybe it could be locked much like how we can't mark karma until 200 posts or so. That would be about the best way to prevent trolls and false accounts
Quote from: Langku on August 12, 2013, 12:28:10 AM
I think a trustworthy trader rating could be valuable. If the karma and trustworthiness of the users who rated the trades was listed by their rating it would help me decide how viable the rating really is. For example, if Joe-user got an untrusted trader mark but then right below it i saw it was from Kuberr who has -54 karma and 12 untrusted trader marks, it would erase most of my worry. We have a pretty good handle on who the "Richards" are around here.
Yes. This. Please.
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on August 12, 2013, 12:34:52 AM
Maybe it could be locked much like how we can't mark karma until 200 posts or so. That would be about the best way to prevent trolls and false accounts
I like this idea!
Kirby also never completed our deal. Dragged on for weeks, said he was sending, sent, didn't send, etc...
Wasted so much time of mine and never lived up to his end of the bargain.
Quote from: NyghtHawk on August 12, 2013, 06:32:51 PM
Kirby also never completed our deal. Dragged on for weeks, said he was sending, sent, didn't send, etc...
Wasted so much time of mine and never lived up to his end of the bargain.
Did you send your end of the trade to him?
Not sure if this helps a lot but I've had a few trades with him, all ended fine-ish. My last trade earlier this year with him I ended up waiting an extra month or so for my card, a Chandra, and it was creased. I didn't bother fighting about it just because I was happy a card ever showed. All other trades (probably 3 others) were fine
Um no your not Evacide also saide that^:P
Of all my trades going sour of the past months I'm glad this was it, relatively cheap stuff for one card. 3 weeks he has my end and I've got nothing in return and he's dodging my messages.
Updated to reflect an additional victim of MissingKirby. He has not responded to my messages either.
Quote from: Langku on August 12, 2013, 12:28:10 AM
I think a trustworthy trader rating could be valuable. If the karma and trustworthiness of the users who rated the trades was listed by their rating it would help me decide how viable the rating really is. For example, if Joe-user got an untrusted trader mark but then right below it i saw it was from Kuberr who has -54 karma and 12 untrusted trader marks, it would erase most of my worry. We have a pretty good handle on who the "Richards" are around here.
I like this idea!
Quote from: imthelolrus on August 10, 2013, 06:00:07 PM
Users accused: MissingKirby
Victims: myself, DirtyMustachio,
Summary: We finalized a trade July 24th. He then gave a personal reason for being unable to send on Aug 1st.. He has recieved my cards, disappeared, & I noticed he was online today & has yet to reply to my inquiry about if my deathrite is in the mail or not.
Preliminary Evidence: available, & can be supplied.
I posted a similar complaint a while ago. I've traded with people who have neg karma and are great traders. Kirby is different, and often when people use the hospital as an excuse for several people in their family and themselves: I call bs.
He is clearly an impulse trader on this site who can't follow through with a trade or possibly found a better deal locally and lies to those who are putting cards in escrow for him, saying their trade will go through.
I highly recommend not trading with him, he's a flake. He's probably lurking under a different name too...pretty common on this site...
Always check rep for traders and don't be afraid to ask a new person for being the first sender, and newbies: read people's post. Most adults will follow through, most issues here have been with people under 20 it seems.
Nothing going to come of this I guess
I think it's safe to say he's not showing back up. I'll be adding him to the untrusted traders post. I'm afraid I can't do much outside of that.
What a scumbag
I am requesting that any victims here send me Missingkirby's address so I can add it to my private list of known scammer's addresses.
What a turd
Quote from: MtgCollector666 on June 24, 2014, 11:16:27 PM
I myself have almost traded with MissingKirby, but he was under another name and said something about a hospital.
Good to know...a year later...
Yeah, he pulled a solid mlerner right there. Good to know he's still around though.
Quote from: Wingnut on June 24, 2014, 11:26:45 PM
Yeah, he pulled a solid mlerner right there. Good to know he's still around though.
:)