{hidden strings} on a evasion creature + {gilded lotus} + {strionic resonator}
By the way, I think the real string theory is utter non-sense
You get the ciphers creature through. And before cipher resolves, copy the triggered ability. Unatp the resonator and lotus, then tap them both to copy the ability again and again
Sounds like more than just a theory...
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
You get the ciphers creature through. And before cipher resolves, copy the triggered ability. Unatp the resonator and lotus, then tap them both to copy the ability again and again
I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to understanding the full effect of combos. What exactly do you get from copying the triggered ability and retapping, then untapping the same artifacts?
The resonator costs 2 for its ability. Yet your getting three from the lotus. So in effect, your gaining 1 mana each time you tap the lotus
Is the cypher spell cast a triggered ability? Or a triggered spell that gets cast because the creature attacks? Or am I looking too deep into this?
Cipher is a triggered ability. "When the encoded creature deals combat damage to an opponent..." is a triggered ability. Copying the trigger before it resolves effectively is copying the spell. The trigger makes a copy of Hidden Strings to untap to copy the ability to copy the spell to untap... You get the idea.
Right on. That's a really badass combo. I can see a good synergy with {young pyromancer}
{Guttersnipe} would be better.
Oh wow, I didn't think of that...+1 to both of you
Edit: what would you do with all the mana you were producing?
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}
{Sands of Delirium}
{Mox Lotus}
{Progenitus}
{Anthroplasm}, {Bonfire of the Damned}, {Entreat the Angels}, {Helix Pinnacle}, {Orcish Settlers}.
Plain and simple {Fireball}
Nice, I just noticed it said "cast" on cipher. Good stuff.
Quote from: The1337Magician on July 30, 2013, 10:57:41 AM
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn}
{Sands of Delirium}
{Mox Lotus}
{Progenitus}
{GLEEMAX}!!!!!
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
You get the ciphers creature through. And before cipher resolves, copy the triggered ability. Unatp the resonator and lotus, then tap them both to copy the ability again and again
My only question is does {Hidden Strings} ability go on the stack at the end of combat phase or does it go on at the beginning of the second main phase? For the game to go to the next phase the stack has to be empty ( I think at least) and any mana in the mana pool is emptied. But now that I think about it again I think you meant to put it on like a {Guttersnipe}, or {Zhur-Taa Druid}. That being the case, I can't come up with an argument.
Quote from: Wingnut on August 18, 2013, 07:33:43 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on July 29, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
You get the ciphers creature through. And before cipher resolves, copy the triggered ability. Unatp the resonator and lotus, then tap them both to copy the ability again and again
My only question is does {Hidden Strings} ability go on the stack at the end of combat phase or does it go on at the beginning of the second main phase? For the game to go to the next phase the stack has to be empty ( I think at least) and any mana in the mana pool is emptied. But now that I think about it again I think you meant to put it on like a {Guttersnipe}, or {Zhur-Taa Druid}. That being the case, I can't come up with an argument.
Cipher says when the creature deals combat damage, so I'm thinking its before the combat phase ends, meaning you have to use your infinite mana to cast instants and flash spells.
Needing to be instants, you can probably only use 'X' burn spells. {Aurelia's Fury} or {Volcanic Geyser} are probably your best options for standard.
(Unless you can play {Quicken} or {Savage Summoning} first)
I thought you could pull this off when the cipher effect triggered...is that not the case?
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 10:16:58 AM
I thought you could pull this off when the cipher effect triggered...is that not the case?
You can when it triggers, but it triggers during the combat phase, you can't cast creatures during the combat phase (unless they have flash of course), and your mana pool empties going from phase to phase. So put it on something that will deal damage during you main phase's, problem solved.
Doesn't cipher require combat damage? Then it seems difficult to make it workable during main phase.
Quote from: Particle on August 20, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Doesn't cipher require combat damage? Then it seems difficult to make it workable during main phase.
And you are right, I thought it was simply damage. We're back to instants now. So this is doable, just have to set up the right combo. {Garruk's Horde} or {Yeva, Nature's Herald} combined with this would work out well.
Quote from: Wingnut on August 20, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: Particle on August 20, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Doesn't cipher require combat damage? Then it seems difficult to make it workable during main phase.
And you are right, I thought it was simply damage. We're back to instants now. So this is doable, just have to set up the right combo. {Garruk's Horde} or {Yeva, Nature's Herald} combined with this would work out well.
i was thinking it would already be ciphered, and you trigger it when the creature creates damage
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 20, 2013, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on August 20, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: Particle on August 20, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Doesn't cipher require combat damage? Then it seems difficult to make it workable during main phase.
And you are right, I thought it was simply damage. We're back to instants now. So this is doable, just have to set up the right combo. {Garruk's Horde} or {Yeva, Nature's Herald} combined with this would work out well.
i was thinking it would already be ciphered, and you trigger it when the creature creates damage
I agree, have it out and cipher'd on an unblockable, but have either yeva or garruk's horde out so your creatures have flash. This way you can cast them during combat and use the mana your creating. Otherwise you can create a billion mana, that goes away at the end of combat.
I don't think flash really does anything here
It does because it gives you an additional way to use your mana during the combat phase.