What are your thoughts about Obama. Is he screwing us over? Is he doing the right thing? Random comment about him?
My thoughts are that he is trying to do what he believes is best for the country, but is screwing us over with things like ObamaCare. As I always say, we are an obamanation.
Oh this is going to be a fun thread to follow.
Obama is crony capitalist. He's another in a series of crony capitalists dating back to the idea of capitalism and governments being symbiotic. He's another in a long line of imperialist crooks, member of a two-party system with no differences, he infringes on the natural rights of humans all over the globe.
The "Obama is a socialist" garbage has to stop, it's propagated by people who actually believe differences exist between political parties. They're here to steal your money and pay off their buddies. The dream of democracy died long ago - it's the lesser of two evils I suppose, and that is still the tyranny of the majority.
I think Obama is trying to do the right thing but, and this is the truth, the Republicabs simply FON'T WANT to help the democrats. And Tgey don't want to agree. But yes. He has made some bad choices. But overall he's helped the US WAAAY more than Bush did, and Romney would have. Romney only would've helped the wealthy, and practically killed the poor. That's my opinion. I am not biased forwards any side. Also, I think Obama is getting some hate because he's black. One Romney campaign said this and claimed it "a handicap". What we SHOULD do:
RYAN HIGA! Watch the video.
But yeah, I'm not biased, and speak only the facts.
Well looks like I'm tapping out of this conversation early. *tap tap tap*
Is there any way to monitor a thread? I have a feeling this will be a good one.
See you in the next one.
<Deep, maniacal laughter. The villain starts in a monologue.>
Hero: NOT TODAY! 👊💢
Quote from: #noided on July 23, 2013, 11:11:18 PM
Is there any way to monitor a thread? I have a feeling this will be a good one.
I think "NSFW" denotes that things can get intense just fine.
Obama... Obama, Obama,Obama...
Has anyone noticed that his credibility has begun to fail him. People don't really listen to him anymore.
Ok...
I would like someone to post the GOOD he has done for this country. It would be a lot easier then listing the bad.
KILLING OSAMA DOES NOT COUNT!!! Bush started that, and Obama was acually reluctant to continue with it.
I already posted that he does good, flicker. +1 for feeling how I do, unlike most.
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 23, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
Nice! Democrats, a few million, Republicans, maybe 2,000 ish!
Wow stimulus, that DIDN'T HELP AT ALL.
Increased the private sector jobs! And the unemployment rate continues to climb.
I don't support gay marriage (sorry)
Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't.
And everything else with helping people by helping pay their expenses, with money the government doesn't have. What was the national debt again? Oh yeah, SO HIGH THAT IN OBAMAS TERM ALONE, IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN 100 YEARS TO PAY OFF. and I would like to point out, ITS STILL CLIMBING!!!
You know, he could cut those meaningless programs. You know, the things that they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on, on projects like...
Why Kindergardeners can't sit still
Helping Chinese Prositutes get off thee addiction to drugs and alcohol.
And so much more dumb .poo. this country doesn't need.
One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"
Get rid of the welfare checks! It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing. This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.
Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class. He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.
Anybody watch shark tank? Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to. If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money. Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.
I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time. Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
Like the hoodie pillow XD
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.
If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.
The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.
Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.
It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:13:54 AM
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.
If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.
The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.
Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.
It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Explain executive orders?
Quote from: Raiderrob on July 24, 2013, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:13:54 AM
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.
If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.
The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.
Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.
It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Explain executive orders?
Few and very far between, still goes through a council before he can do anything about it.
Executive order = presidential opinion that got approved by senate
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:35:33 AM
Quote from: Raiderrob on July 24, 2013, 01:21:51 AM
Quote from: Slenderbro on July 24, 2013, 01:13:54 AM
People need to understand how little presidents actually do.
If you disagree with one of "his" policies, know that it was drafted and passed by the senate. He didnt write and approve it by himself.
The president is just a face and a name, if you believe that the president is an idiot, then you need to know what little involvement he actually has in things.
Do you know why he was chosen my the democratic party? Because he is a fantastic speaker and an overall intelligent and like-able seeming individual.
It's extremists that spread nonsense around to make him look bad. *cough cough* tea party
Explain executive orders?
Few and very far between, still goes through a council before he can do anything about it.
Executive order = presidential opinion that got approved by senate
Not approved by congress, but can be removed with legislation which the president can veto. Yes that can be stopped with a 2/3rds majority, but how hard is to get 2/3rds of the clowns in congress to work together on anything? During obamas presidency he has passed 159 executive orders. To me that seems like alot of executive branch law making.
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"
Get rid of the welfare checks! It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing. This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.
Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class. He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.
Anybody watch shark tank? Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to. If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money. Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.
I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time. Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"
Get rid of the welfare checks! It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing. This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.
Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class. He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.
Anybody watch shark tank? Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to. If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money. Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.
I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time. Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant
I grew up as a kid on welfare so I appreciate that we had something there to provide food and shelter. Unfortunately there are folks out there that arent using the system as a leg up. Some of them are professionals at working the system to there advantage. I think the whole system needs reformed like most of the programs that are government ran. So many things are broken its hard to have a positive outlook about our future.
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 23, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
Stopped reading at 'provided $ for this or that'. He didnt provide any $, the taxpayers did. The government has to extort money to 'provide' it. Obama is one of the bunch who believe that goal justifies the means. This is directly breaking the iMtG law.
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"
Get rid of the welfare checks! It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing. This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.
Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class. He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.
Anybody watch shark tank? Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to. If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money. Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.
I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time. Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant
If your government friends didnt extort the money from people who created the wealth, their life would be completely different. The little help should be provided voluntarily, not at gunpoint. Goal does not justify the means.
Needing some thing does not give you right to own that thing. What gives you right to own things is creating them. Extorting a thing from the creator of the thing to satisfy your need is called stealing. Do not steal.
A certain part of every population will not work. Some are able but will not work. Some are unable and will not work. And some still are victims of some serious hard luck.
The three true economic outcomes are as follows:
A)Earn Money
B)Be given money
C)Steal
Given those outcomes, it is optimal for us to help our fellow man, and keep as many people away from C as possible. That involves a series of charitable donations and community action, not the confiscation of money at gun point.
Flicker I believe is entirely off base by suggesting strip the money away from people on welfare because "they didn't earn it". Removing B pushes folks toward A and C.
The welfare system in this country is broken, because the government runs it. They have not a single efficiently run system of anything, because it doesn't have to be. When you're playing with other people's money - inefficiency is your best friend.
I don't see a problem with helping the poor, the people who don't work, the physically disabled. Their success and failure in some ways is my own, they're members of my community whom deserve the respect and love I was afforded, and sometimes deterministic factors are cruel to some. I'm very lucky to be born who I am, where I was, to the parents I had. I had no choice in the matter, and the amount of places and time periods I could be born are immense. You just don't confiscate people's money to do so, but it seems a nessicary thing.
And I'm tapping out again, .politics. stink. Anarchy for all.
Quote from: Piotr on July 24, 2013, 05:03:04 AM
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 02:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity on July 24, 2013, 12:17:34 AM
Also, all this, "help the poor bullshit"
Get rid of the welfare checks! It is not right that I have to pay someone to sit on their ass and do nothing. This gives them no motivation to work because they would get the same amount of money working, as they would doing nothing.
Obama has also put more regulations on small businesses, which has been crushing the middle class. He says he is helping all the time, then why are there so many hard working americans that try to make a business off a great idea, but they can't because the government is to busy taxing their ass to let them work.
Anybody watch shark tank? Great show because they give people who have great ideas money to do what they need to. If you have an ok idea, you don't get the money, if you have come into their room unprepared, you don't get the money. Are you delusional with your sales rates, or the money you need, you don't get the money.
I like that show because, those people that work hard, they get the chance, the lazy ones, get booted because you just wasted those people's time. Time that could be better served with someone who had their .poo. together.
I am so freaking sick of seeing this. Do people abuse welfare? God yes. Are there people that genuinely need it? You bet your ass.
My family fell on hard times, my mother had always juggled to raise two kids by herself and eventually she tripped. Without welfare for the 3 months we were on it we would have been on the streets, and our lives would be completely different. You also don't just "sit on your ass" you are required to go into job counciling twice a month and apply for so many jobs, forget the number it's been a few years. Do I think they need to handle the leeches better? Sure, definatly. However some people can't get back on there feet without a little help. /rant
If your government friends didnt extort the money from people who created the wealth, their life would be completely different. The little help should be provided voluntarily, not at gunpoint. Goal does not justify the means.
Needing some thing does not give you right to own that thing. What gives you right to own things is creating them. Extorting a thing from the creator of the thing to satisfy your need is called stealing. Do not steal.
I don't even know what to say to this. I think I'll hop out of the ring too before I go just as daft.
I just like saying his name. Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama
Quote from: Piotr on July 24, 2013, 04:57:55 AM
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 23, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
Stopped reading at 'provided $ for this or that'. He didnt provide any $, the taxpayers did. The government has to extort money to 'provide' it. Obama is one of the bunch who believe that goal justifies the means. This is directly breaking the iMtG law.
I posted this website in response to "what good has Obama done?". I may or may not be an Obama fan, I may not care at all! I'm not actually going to involved in this discussion. :)
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity link=topic=25929.msg226698#msg226698 date /quote
Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't
All I noticed. We have enough from Bush's day. And isn't it GOOD we aren't making weapons against the rest of the world? The UN? That is illogical. Also, obama's paid off more debt than most of his REPUBLICAN predecessors, who created the debt. So he's done more than most other presidents.
Quote from: Vyse on July 24, 2013, 10:30:03 AMI don't even know what to say to this. I think I'll hop out of the ring too before I go just as daft.
Is that an insult?
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 24, 2013, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: Piotr on July 24, 2013, 04:57:55 AM
Quote from: Moneekahh on July 23, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
Www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com
Stopped reading at 'provided $ for this or that'. He didnt provide any $, the taxpayers did. The government has to extort money to 'provide' it. Obama is one of the bunch who believe that goal justifies the means. This is directly breaking the iMtG law.
I posted this website in response to "what good has Obama done?". I may or may not be an Obama fan, I may not care at all! I'm not actually going to involved in this discussion. :)
Fair enough, I was just disputing the argument from the link.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity link=topic=25929.msg226698#msg226698 date /quote
Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't
All I noticed. We have enough from Bush's day. And isn't it GOOD we aren't making weapons against the rest of the world? The UN? That is illogical. Also, obama's paid off more debt than most of his REPUBLICAN predecessors, who created the debt. So he's done more than most other presidents.
Paid off debt????? He has created more debt than every previous president combined. At 12 years old I think it's hella cool that you are interested in .politics., and world issues, but either your fact finding skills suck or your opinion is very heavily influenced by liberal views of people close to you which is what I suspect. I grew up in a very liberal household, and held those views until my early 20s when I decided I wanted to look deeper into .politics. and not just listen to people. Keep the interest, but use your smarts to help build a solid unbiased opinion based on fact.
Quote from: Raiderrob on July 24, 2013, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 24, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: FlickerYourOwnIdentity link=topic=25929.msg226698#msg226698 date /quote
Russia still makes nuclear warheads, and we aren't
All I noticed. We have enough from Bush's day. And isn't it GOOD we aren't making weapons against the rest of the world? The UN? That is illogical. Also, obama's paid off more debt than most of his REPUBLICAN predecessors, who created the debt. So he's done more than most other presidents.
Paid off debt????? He has created more debt than every previous president combined. At 12 years old I think it's hella cool that you are interested in .politics., and world issues, but either your fact finding skills suck or your opinion is very heavily influenced by liberal views of people close to you which is what I suspect. I grew up in a very liberal household, and held those views until my early 20s when I decided I wanted to look deeper into .politics. and not just listen to people. Keep the interest, but use your smarts to help build a solid unbiased opinion based on fact.
I think describing Democrats as "liberals" is entire off base: there isn't a single mainstream liberal in their entire lot. Same goes with equating republicans as "conservative". Neither party qualifies for their extremes. If anything Republicans and Democrats are mirror images. Both parties call the other their extreme to bring about a dichotomous relationship, but both are undoubtedly wrong about that position,
And also, not because I'm defending his position - but that is an ad hominem attack and an appeal to experience. Both of which are not required to advance your position and argument, and can prove to be detriments.
There are no parties that represent the people, the people can represent themselves in purposeful, un-coerced, willful social and financial engagements with others. The purpose of goverment is for the un-liberated.
How "good" or "how much" Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Obama, <insert past or future president> did something is a tactic used by government supporters to have their agenda imposed upon the people. Be free, remove the government from your life and be free to pursue anything one may given a life let free.
Quote from: Taysby on July 24, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
I thought the rule was no negative karma on these nsfw threads?
That's a thing that exists? Awesome.
Every single other person should have sexual intercourse with their biological mothers.
Quote from: Taysby on July 24, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
I thought the rule was no negative karma on these nsfw threads?
If someone thinks a post is worthy of a -1, that is their right as a forum member. Can't really stop them. Telling people they can't do something that is legal is breaking iMtG law itself.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 24, 2013, 10:59:42 PM
Quote from: Taysby on July 24, 2013, 10:50:32 PM
I thought the rule was no negative karma on these nsfw threads?
That's a thing that exists? Awesome.
Every single other person should have sexual intercourse with their biological mothers.
Lol! :D
But no, Mike is right. If someone doesn't like the post they can -1 it all day. But if you have the ability to refrain when someone posts an opinion that you don't agree with. It shows a level of maturity.
Going back to the what good has Obama done:
An article from time magazine about Obama's environmental work:
-launch the first 45 renewable-electricity projects ever built on federal land, enough to power 4.4 million homes.
-pledged to slash the government's carbon emissions by 15%,
-jack up vehicle-efficiency standards enough to eliminate an entire year's worth of U.S. emissions by 2025
-enact appliance-efficiency standards that would save enough electricity to power every single-family home for two years.
-vowed to spark a clean-energy revolution with unprecedented investments in wind, solar and geothermal power; electric vehicles; a smarter grid; cleaner coal; green research; and much more.
Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/07/11/beyond-the-keystone-pipeline/#ixzz2a6TPPD3R
Obama on economics:
Directly quoted from the transcript of a speak Obama recently gave in Galesburg, Illinois.
-"In the period after World War II, a growing middle class was the engine of our prosperity. Whether you owned a company or swept its floors or worked anywhere in between, this country offered you a basic bargain, a sense that your hard work would be rewarded with fair wages and decent benefits, the chance to buy a home, to save for retirement and — and most of all, a chance to hand down a better life for your kids.
But over time that engine began to stall, and a lot of folks here saw it. That bargain began to fray. Technology made some jobs obsolete. Global competition sends a lot of jobs overseas. It became harder for unions to fight for the middle class. Washington doled out bigger tax cuts to the very wealthy and smaller minimum wage increases for the working poor.
And so what happened was that — (applause) — the — the link between higher productivity and people's wages and salaries was broken. Used to be that as companies did better, as profits went higher, workers also got a better deal.
And that started changing.
So the income of the top 1 percent nearly quadrupled from 1979 to 2007, but the typical family's incomes barely budged. And towards the end of those three decades, a housing bubble, credit cards, a churning financial sector was keeping the economy artificially juiced up, so sometimes it papered over some of these long-term trends.
But by the time I took office in 2009 as your president, we all know the bubble had burst. And it cost millions of Americans their jobs and their homes and their savings. And I know a lot of folks in this area were hurt pretty bad. And the decadeslong erosion that had been taking place, the erosion of middle-class security, was suddenly laid bare for everybody to see.
Now, today, five years after the start of that Great Recession, America has fought its way back. We've fought our way back. (Cheers, applause.) Together we saved the auto industry, took on a broken health care system. (Cheers, applause.) We invested in new American technologies to reverse our addiction to foreign oil. We doubled wind and solar power. (Cheers, applause.)
Together we put in place tough new rules on big banks and protections to crack down on the worst practices of mortgage lenders and credit card companies. (Applause.) We changed a tax code too skewed in favor of the wealthiest at the expense of working families. So we changed that. We locked in tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans, and we asked those at the top to pay a little bit more. (Applause.)
So you add it all up, and over the past 40 months our businesses have created 7.2 million new jobs. This year we're off to our strongest private sector job growth since 1999. And because we bet on this country, suddenly foreign companies are too. Right now more — more of Honda's cars are made in America than anyplace else on Earth. (Applause.) Yeah. Airbus, the — the European aircraft company — they're building new planes in Alabama. (Applause.) Then American companies like Ford are replacing outsourcing with insourcing. They're bringing jobs back home. (Cheers, applause.)
We sell more products made in America to the rest of the world than ever before. We now produce more natural gas than any country on Earth. We're about to produce more of our own oil than we buy from abroad for the first time in nearly 20 years. (Applause.) The cost of health care is growing at its slowest rate in 50 years. (Cheers, applause.)
And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years. (Cheers, applause.)
So thanks to the grit and resilience and determination of the American people, of folks like you, we've been able to clear away the rubble from the financial crisis. We've started to lay a new foundation for stronger, more durable economic growth. And you know, it's happening in our own personal lives as well, right? A lot of us tightened our belts, shed debt, maybe cut up a couple of credit cards, refocused on those things that really matter. As a country, we've recovered faster and gone further than most other advanced nations in the world, with new American revolutions in — in energy and technology and manufacturing and health care. We're actually poised to reverse the forces that battered the middle class for so long and start building an economy where everyone who works hard can get ahead.
But — and here's the big "but" — I'm here to tell you today that we're not there yet."
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/24/with-more-deadlock-ahead-obama-condemns-republicans-in-economic-speech/#ixzz2a6VWtNMu
Like it says in the rules for this discussion page. Use facts. Let me see your sources. Lets get this conversation back to a debate instead of this flinging of opinions.
TL;DR, please?
Okay, looked it up.
I'd like to start by saying that its that kind of attitude that is a major problem in the US today. 'I don't want to hear facts, listen to debates, or read information; just tell me what to think so I can go back to play Farmville'. Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of that, just think its a major problem today.
To sum up the last post: Obama has done alot to help the environment and to aid the economic recovery. Don't believe me? The facts are posted in my last post.
Let's not complain about our leaders, instead lets learn so we can make more informed decisions and force politicians take responsibility. To quote William Drummond, "He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave."
He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.
"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..
Quote from: Piotr on July 26, 2013, 05:56:19 AM
He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.
"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..
Apparently the numbers he used are accurate enough according to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/
Out of curiosity, how are taxes stealing/extorting from anyone/anything?
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 26, 2013, 08:53:07 AM
Quote from: Piotr on July 26, 2013, 05:56:19 AM
He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.
"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..
Apparently the numbers he used are accurate enough according to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/
Out of curiosity, how are taxes stealing/extorting from anyone/anything?
Stealing because they take taxes regardless of if you want to give it or not. Extorting because if you refuse to pay taxes, they send you to prison.
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Quote from: Piotr on July 26, 2013, 05:56:19 AM
He is a figurehead spending stolen, extorted money to help environment. I'll give you that.
"And our deficits are falling at the fastest rate in 60 years." as all crooks, he is also full of .poo..
Apparently the numbers he used are accurate enough according to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/25/barack-obama/obama-says-deficit-falling-fastest-rate-60-years/
Out of curiosity, how are taxes stealing/extorting from anyone/anything?
Stealing because they take taxes regardless of if you want to give it or not. Extorting because if you refuse to pay taxes, they send you to prison.
Taxes are necessary to fund vital local services such as the police, fire department, military, and public utilities/infrastructure. It is a price of choosing to live here.
You could always move to a deserted island if you really find taxes so offensive, not really sure where else there are absolutely no taxes. Or you could make little enough money that you don't actually qualify to pay any...
Hey, wasn't stating an opinion on taxes. Just facts. The government uses force, fear, and the threat of prison to take what they want, no matter how necessary it is. You can't argue that.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 26, 2013, 09:39:38 AM
Hey, wasn't stating an opinion on taxes. Just facts. The government uses force, fear, and the threat of prison to take what they want, no matter how necessary it is. You can't argue that.
I don't think you can say they use force, since they don't forcibly enter your home to take your money, but I guess the other two are valid enough, they ensure that people obey the law.
Ever hear of wage garnishment? I know firsthand that the government uses force if you go long enough without paying your taxes.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on July 26, 2013, 09:50:40 AM
Ever hear of wage garnishment? I know firsthand that the government uses force if you go long enough without paying your taxes.
I would expect nothing less for them to do everything they can to get the money any citizen is legally obligated to pay.
Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads. What would your life be like without taxes. You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads. And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending. Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree. No heath insurance from the government. You have to pay for that broken arm. Oh, and your losing blood. There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes. And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down. If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds. Is that how you want this country to work?
Quote from: Gleemax on July 26, 2013, 12:07:31 PM
Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads. What would your life be like without taxes. You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads. And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending. Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree. No heath insurance from the government. You have to pay for that broken arm. Oh, and your losing blood. There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes. And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down. If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds. Is that how you want this country to work?
I never once said taxes weren't necessary. Stealing is taking other people's property. The government takes your money for taxes. That is stealing. Bottom line.
I'm just calling it what it is. I'm not giving my opinion on whether it's right or wrong.
Quote from: Gleemax on July 26, 2013, 12:07:31 PM
Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads. What would your life be like without taxes. You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads. And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending. Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree. No heath insurance from the government. You have to pay for that broken arm. Oh, and your losing blood. There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes. And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down. If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds. Is that how you want this country to work?
I have not problem paying voluntary taxes for national defense, police force, justice system and the administration required to manage the three. I have no problem with voluntarily paying for use of government land, properties or other resources.
I can purchase transport services from private industry and government should not interfere.
It is not the purpose of the government to provide free insurance or any other wealth to one group of people at the expense of other group of people. The purpose of the government is to serve justice by enforcing the law.
This country climbed to a superpower status because it was free, from socialism and other crap. Now there's more and more socialism in this country and it is slowly but surely going down the drain.
I think Obama has overall been a good president look at the situation that he came into and look at where we are now. He gave the Order to assinate bin laden. He's been pulling troops out of the Middle East and he's good with more scoical issues over all he's done a good job
I shouldn't have my money taken from me and spent on bombs and other things I do not agree with. A drug war, the CIA, Wars on other countries, torture, corporate subsidies, bailouts and other military industrial complex non-sense.
I don't care who started it, he's the president - end it. Until then: Obama is a terrorists, imperialist, murder, crony capitalist. He has removed your rights from everyone and uses it to gain fortunes for the people who put him there.
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Quote from: Gleemax on July 26, 2013, 12:07:31 PM
Those taxes that he's "stealing" are used for national defense, and paving roads. What would your life be like without taxes. You might not be able to get to work because of the lack of public roads. And you might be dead because of the cut in national defense spending. Let's say that you tried to drive on unsafe roads to work, and you crashed into a tree. No heath insurance from the government. You have to pay for that broken arm. Oh, and your losing blood. There aren't any ambulances within ten miles, and with these roads, that could take them over 40 minutes. And when they get there, they tell you that the nearest hospital is 25 miles away, because all the others had no government help, so they shut down. If you're still alive after the 1 and half hour drive, the hospital you get to is dirty and has inadequate tools and staff, also because of a lack of government funds. Is that how you want this country to work?
I have not problem paying voluntary taxes for national defense, police force, justice system and the administration required to manage the three. I have no problem with voluntarily paying for use of government land, properties or other resources.
I can purchase transport services from private industry and government should not interfere.
It is not the purpose of the government to provide free insurance or any other wealth to one group of people at the expense of other group of people. The purpose of the government is to serve justice by enforcing the law.
This country climbed to a superpower status because it was free, from socialism and other crap. Now there's more and more socialism in this country and it is slowly but surely going down the drain.
What do you think of the public education system? Would that be something you would want your voluntary tax dollars to go towards (k-12 and higher education)?
This country climbed to a superpower status because we saved Europe, blew Japan to hell, had the only economy undevestated by war, and maintained military bases in other countries. Some things that were critical in keeping us afloat prior to the war (ie: Great Depression) were 'socialist' programs like the WPA and social security, that were designed to help the common man. Unrelated, but tax rates during this period of becoming a superpower (1940's-1960's) were over 80% at the highest income brackets (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg).
My only opinion on obama is hes better than romney. Hahaha
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 27, 2013, 01:02:10 AMWhat do you think of the public education system? Would that be something you would want your voluntary tax dollars to go towards (k-12 and higher education)?
Can't see why not, I support many charities.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 27, 2013, 01:02:10 AMThis country climbed to a superpower status because we saved Europe, blew Japan to hell, had the only economy undevestated by war, and maintained military bases in other countries. Some things that were critical in keeping us afloat prior to the war (ie: Great Depression) were 'socialist' programs like the WPA and social security, that were designed to help the common man. Unrelated, but tax rates during this period of becoming a superpower (1940's-1960's) were over 80% at the highest income brackets (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Income_Earners.jpg).
This country saved Europe and blew Japan to hell because this country was a superpower. It couldn't do it if it wasn't a superpower. Social security was designed to enslave common man, not to help him. You are managing to keep your superpower status in spite of socialism, against it, not because of it. These social programs are draining and killing you, not helping you. You will lose your superpower status because you implemented too much socialism.
Practically nobody pays the highest income bracket, it is not only unrelated but also irrelevant. In any case, any level of income tax is theft, doesn't matter if 1 or 100%.
Quote from: Gleemax on July 27, 2013, 03:27:36 PMIn common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.
Yes, that's what income tax is.
You can keep your income tax. Just don't use the roads the government builds, don't use the United States Postal Service, don't go to parks the government provides and don't breathe the air or drink the water that government regulation keeps clean. Also if you lose your job, don't apply for welfare, unemployment or any other service the government provides. If a crime is committed, you get hurt or a fire breaks out, oh well, don't call 911 for the police, the fire department or an ambulance. If you get hurt, you can go to a hospital, but don't apply for disability. Work for a dollar an hour, the government can't tell you that you need to receive a realistic salary. Let monopolies take over and enslave us with ridiculous prices that would force us to bend to every corporation's will. But yeah, you're right, screw the government, those thieves!
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 27, 2013, 04:32:08 PM
You can keep your income tax. Just don't use the roads the government builds, don't use the United States Postal Service, don't go to parks the government provides and don't breathe the air or drink the water that government regulation keeps clean. Also if you lose your job, don't apply for welfare, unemployment or any other service the government provides. If a crime is committed, you get hurt or a fire breaks out, oh well, don't call 911 for the police, the fire department or an ambulance. If you get hurt, you can go to a hospital, but don't apply for disability. Work for a dollar an hour, the government can't tell you that you need to receive a realistic salary. Let monopolies take over and enslave us with ridiculous prices that would force us to bend to every corporation's will. But yeah, you're right, screw the government those thieves!
If private businesses were allowed to assume those roles, then there would be no problem. Also, have you seen how much money those things all cost? They're run like crap. Also, I'd be willing to pay for those services - you don't have to steal my money to do it.
I don't want to pay for bombs, militarized police, the salaries of government officials, faith based initiatives, covert ops, the CIA, Corporate subsidies, the printing of phoney money, and innumerable other things.
I don't know why you think people wouldn't willingly pay for those services, and instead have the money taken from us at gunpoint and spent on garbage.
If you don't like it...use your voting rights to change it but complaining about taxes doesn't help. Also do you really think corporations would build roads and protect the environment for free...nice joke.
I think Obama should cut the funding going to that factory that keeps producing so many unneeded tanks...and simply just puts them in the desert because we have no use for them.
Seriously, that money could be used for better things. That's actualy a rather large chunk of the defense budget being used for that. I say we can cut the defense budget, stop outsourcing jobs, and make things better for small businesses damnit!
May I point out we have much more efficient technologies now adays than tanks
Yeah, but when we use them (drones) everyone freaks out.
Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 27, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
If you don't like it...use your voting rights to change it but complaining about taxes doesn't help. Also do you really think corporations would build roads and protect the environment for free...nice joke.
The government doesn't do it for free either...they take our tax money for it. They don't have their own. You've also have no voting power...that is why democracy is a farse.
Corporations would build roads, because they'd presumably like to use them. Until teleportation removes the needs of shipping goods and services. There will be people willing to pay for these things. The best part is, if they're entirely ineffective at what they do (like the government), you can get a new company that will do the right thing.
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Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on July 27, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
If you don't like it...use your voting rights to change it but complaining about taxes doesn't help. Also do you really think corporations would build roads and protect the environment for free...nice joke.
The government doesn't do it for free either...they take our tax money for it. They don't have their own. You've also have no voting power...that is why democracy is a farse.
Corporations would build roads, because they'd presumably like to use them. Until teleportation removes the needs of shipping goods and services. There will be people willing to pay for these things. The best part is, if they're entirely ineffective at what they do (like the government), you can get a new company that will do the right thing.
Corporations would charge us to use the roads so what's the difference between that and the government taking taxes to provide the same service. Also because the sole purpose of a business is to make money, it would end up costing us more because we would have to pay for the service and the business's profit. I noticed you skipped over the environmental protection part, that was wise because we all know that businesses don't care about pollution, as long as they make money. We have seen it time and time again with companies spilling oil, spending billions to suppress green energy research and pouring tons of toxic chemicals into the air we breathe. The government sucks but it is better than businesses running things. To quote Thomas Paine "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil."
**************Should we move this discussion to a new thread, it really has gotten off the topic of Obama.*************
Nothing is worse then the government that is supposed to be doing something, giving voice and ability to them to pollute more. The government has only "fined" corporations for polluting, take the money and pocket it. Instead of making any business accountable to the people, we make them accountable to no one. Government payoffs and omitting information.
In what ways does the government make them stop polluting, besides instituting vague caps and technological requirements occasionally? They're picking winners and losers. They've no right to do it.
And I don't see what's in it for businesses pricing people out of using their roads. What purpose would it serve to have your roads so expensive that no one would use them? And yes, yes we would "pay" to use the roads - like we already do the government - but without the other garbage that comes along with paying income tax.
Quote from: Dudecore on July 27, 2013, 10:16:18 PM
Nothing is worse then the government that is supposed to be doing something, giving voice and ability to them to pollute more. The government has only "fined" corporations for polluting, take the money and pocket it. Instead of making any business accountable to the people, we make them accountable to no one. Government payoffs and omitting information.
In what ways does the government make them stop polluting, besides instituting vague caps and technological requirements occasionally? They're picking winners and losers. They've no right to do it.
And I don't see what's in it for businesses pricing people out of using their roads. What purpose would it serve to have your roads so expensive that no one would use them? And yes, yes we would "pay" to use the roads - like we already do the government - but without the other garbage that comes along with paying income tax.
Federal emissions standards forces car manufacturers and power plants to reduce pollution.
What business would own what road? You would have to pay for each different road, or face a monopolistic road company that could charge whatever it wants by being the only game in town.
Quote from: Taysby on July 28, 2013, 12:25:29 AM
They would make the road if they wanted to develop someone. The company's anything to develop would pay another company to make the road, then it would be free for public use. I there's no road, they can't build, so there's their incentive to give us a free road.
Why would that make it free for public use? The company that builds the road has no reason to not charge for the road, they have to maintain it don't they? And once the roads are built, how does the road-making company make money? What happens if someone can't afford to pay to use a road?
I don't really understand the faith people put in any for-profit companies to not shaft the consumer if it weren't for government consumer-protection regulations.
I suppose we should do away with public universities and just have people go to for-profit universities? Screw the military, we can just use private contractors: same thing, right?
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 27, 2013, 11:27:15 PMface a monopolistic road company that could charge whatever it wants by being the only game in town.
Are you too blind to see that this is exactly what you have now?
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 28, 2013, 12:50:43 AM
Why would that make it free for public use? The company that builds the road has no reason to not charge for the road, they have to maintain it don't they? And once the roads are built, how does the road-making company make money? What happens if someone can't afford to pay to use a road?
What is in it for them to prevent people from using the roads? Besides they're "evil corporations" meant to destroy the very fabric of humanity. If they went through the expense of building a road, why wouldn't they want people to use them? Or even for free for that matter. They've got to use the roads, buy the land, build the thing.
The government does not do this for free. They take the land from people, and sell it to developers (private companies) to build on then sell to folks. "Why don't they just make the houses so expensive no one can buy them?" Because that isn't how markets work.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 28, 2013, 12:50:43 AM
I don't really understand the faith people put in any for-profit companies to not shaft the consumer if it weren't for government consumer-protection regulations.
Most of the time the consumer-protection regulations we have in place give a pass to things that normally would not happen. The SEC declaring that after their research - Bernie Madoff is a fine person to invest with (we see how that turned out). That guaranteeing subprime mortgages is a wonderful idea. That allowing a certain tolerance of lead filled items from china is fine. These oversight committees have given voice to many horrible things, like Monsanto and other garbage. The companies recourse? Pay a fine, get back to work.
Again, I don't see what's in it for any corporation to give "the shaft" to it's consumers. They need to make money, if people don't like the way they do business - they're not obligated to purchase things from them. Oversight committees can exist privately, and can still be 1000 billion times more effective then the FDA.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 28, 2013, 12:50:43 AM
I suppose we should do away with public universities and just have people go to for-profit universities? Screw the military, we can just use private contractors: same thing, right?
Correct on both counts. You're essentially stealing money from people, money they worked for and did not willingly give anyone, and then using it to have schools for YOUR children. I don't have kids. I believe in education, most certainly. Education is the key to our future success. I don't think public schools are even close to accomplishing that goal.
Everyone debates about private schools, but what is wrong with having them? It's this ill founded belief that the tuition would be so high that no one could afford to go there. But how does that benefit someone who builds a school, and has a product to sell? It stands contrary to EVERYTHING we know about economics.
It makes no sense for a business to start a monopoly, because someone will always be willing to come along and get a piece of the action. Alternatives will always exist. There is no point in being a tyrannical corporation because you need to make profit - you need people to purchase your product in order to profit.
If you believe that the government is the one that "makes things safe" and other non-sense - you're wrong. They take their pound of flesh and move on. Oversight committees, insurance companies and community action groups can completely replace the "safety net" the government has some believing exists.
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Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 27, 2013, 11:27:15 PMface a monopolistic road company that could charge whatever it wants by being the only game in town.
Are you too blind to see that this is exactly what you have now?
There is not a 'road tax' except for turnpikes, so the government is a monopoly that charges nothing to use roads?
You can't claim that income taxes are 'road taxes' on everyone, since not everyone has to pay them. The income tax is a perfectly legal method of collecting revenue to keep our country great and help make it even better.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 28, 2013, 08:57:49 AMYou can't claim that income taxes are 'road taxes' on everyone, since not everyone has to pay them. The income tax is a perfectly legal method of collecting revenue to keep our country great and help make it even better.
Precisely! They are not road taxes, but none of the other taxes are. Not even so called road tax and fuel daylight robbery. All taxes go to a common pool and get redistributed. Redistribution of wealth under force is called stealing, or daylight bloody robbery if you will ;)
Quote from: Taysby on July 28, 2013, 12:53:02 PM
Well there would be government oversight to keep them from charging. Unless I'm overlooking something (tell me if I am).
Forcing someone to give away their property for free is illegal under iMtG law. There's nothing wrong with charging for the roads and paying for the usage. You charge and pay for your food and water, why not roads?
Quote from: Taysby on July 30, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
Ok, so the gov would have to keep them from charging too much if they charged for their road usage. Whatever.
How would they regulate if they don't have money to pay police officers/military since all taxes are illegal....
Speaking of which, why bother printing the dollar at all, since the full faith and credit of the US isn't worth much with no credit.
Quote from: Taysby on July 30, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
Ok, so the gov would have to keep them from charging too much if they charged for their road usage. Whatever.
No, if something is too expensive, simply do not use it or ask for it as a charity. Magic got too expensive for me, I don't play Standard anymore, even if I really want. If they charge too much for using a car, I will fly more often and use more train. Or whatever makes sense in given circumstances.
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 30, 2013, 02:27:10 PM
Quote from: Taysby on July 30, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
Ok, so the gov would have to keep them from charging too much if they charged for their road usage. Whatever.
How would they regulate if they don't have money to pay police officers/military since all taxes are illegal....
Government owns a lot of wealth. State owned this and that, you know. They can legally charge for use of the land, for example, and that's probably enough. But I would absolutely have no problem with charging everyone willing to become a US citizen and hold a US passport, a required amount of dollars per year, to support the army, police, justice system, and the minimal administration required to run them. I would be the first to apply for the citizenship ;)
Quote from: ihasfrozen on July 30, 2013, 02:27:10 PMSpeaking of which, why bother printing the dollar at all, since the full faith and credit of the US isn't worth much with no credit.
True! Everyone could print their own money. Money used to be equivalent of measurable worth, wealth. One dollar was such and such weight of gold, for example. Can't stop anyone from offering their own money, equivalent of a ton of crude oil, for example. Or a ton of rice.
It does not benefit anyone to charge you $100 per mile. People cannot afford to get to work, people cannot afford to sell wares, people cannot afford to buy them. If you're company does not make money, they cannot afford to run a business.
It's also extremely difficult to enforce a $100 per mile rule. Without a loaded gun to my head, I'm certain it would be a dubious proposition.
Quote from: Taysby on July 30, 2013, 06:36:48 PM
I know. I'm suggesting VERY LIMITED government oversight. Just because if that happened, America's economy would go down the tubes and that would be very bad.
The economy is going to the tubes now because we let them interfere. There should be NO government oversight. You give them a little power and they will grow it into the bureaucratic abomination of Washington DC, bless them. In just a couple centuries.
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Quote from: Piotr on July 30, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: Taysby on July 30, 2013, 06:36:48 PM
I know. I'm suggesting VERY LIMITED government oversight. Just because if that happened, America's economy would go down the tubes and that would be very bad.
The economy is going to the tubes now because we let them interfere. There should be NO government oversight. You give them a little power and they will grow it into the bureaucratic abomination of Washington DC, bless them. In just a couple centuries.
If the government stops interfering as much, then big corporations will have more power. THAT is what would cause the government to collapse. The big businesses will run the government. The way our government works is far from perfect, but most people would agree that it is one of the best in the world right now.
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Is this the Hobbit cuz we've got a necromancer up in here
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 23, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
I think Obama is trying to do the right thing but, and this is the truth, the Republicabs simply FON'T WANT to help the democrats. And Tgey don't want to agree. But yes. He has made some bad choices. But overall he's helped the US WAAAY more than Bush did, and Romney would have. Romney only would've helped the wealthy, and practically killed the poor. That's my opinion. I am not biased forwards any side. Also, I think Obama is getting some hate because he's black. One Romney campaign said this and claimed it "a handicap". What we SHOULD do:
RYAN HIGA! Watch the video.
But yeah, I'm not biased, and speak only the facts.
Srsly, a neg from July about my opinion? :P lol I don't really care
Quote from: Taysby on December 17, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
I could go on and on about how those aren't "facts" so I can see why someone would - you.
And thanks for complaining, that makes you look good.
I wasn't complaining, I was just... Stating a fact that I was negged :) and it is a fact that I believe that, and you believe what you believe, etc, and that's what I meant ;)
Quote from: Taysby on December 17, 2013, 08:46:57 PM
Saying "seriously? Someone begged me? Why?" I define as complaining. I was rude about it though. I apologize.
Well I never asked why, just said "lol I don't really care" ;)
Sorry if I'm being rude, I kind if have an inability to stop myself when I disagree with people....
Let's be freiands!
Ps: Purposely spelled Friends that way 8)
.love. .politics.. 'Nuff said.
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 18, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
.love. .politics.. 'Nuff said.
I think this guy knows what's up
.politics. aren't so bad. It's the politicians that have become mindless, lie-spewing puppets. If we could wipe the slate clean and get some decent human beings with actual brains and no agendas beyond helping humanity to work problems out into .politics. and government, maybe the world would benefit.
Sigh. A man can dream.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 17, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 23, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
I think Obama is trying to do the right thing but, and this is the truth, the Republicabs simply FON'T WANT to help the democrats. And Tgey don't want to agree. But yes. He has made some bad choices. But overall he's helped the US WAAAY more than Bush did, and Romney would have. Romney only would've helped the wealthy, and practically killed the poor. That's my opinion. I am not biased forwards any side. Also, I think Obama is getting some hate because he's black. One Romney campaign said this and claimed it "a handicap". What we SHOULD do:
RYAN HIGA! Watch the video.
But yeah, I'm not biased, and speak only the facts.
Srsly, a neg from July about my opinion? :P lol I don't really care
I +1'd cause it wasn't you that dragged this thread from the depths this time and I was proud.
Quote from: Wingnut on December 18, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 17, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 23, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
I think Obama is trying to do the right thing but, and this is the truth, the Republicabs simply FON'T WANT to help the democrats. And Tgey don't want to agree. But yes. He has made some bad choices. But overall he's helped the US WAAAY more than Bush did, and Romney would have. Romney only would've helped the wealthy, and practically killed the poor. That's my opinion. I am not biased forwards any side. Also, I think Obama is getting some hate because he's black. One Romney campaign said this and claimed it "a handicap". What we SHOULD do:
RYAN HIGA! Watch the video.
But yeah, I'm not biased, and speak only the facts.
Srsly, a neg from July about my opinion? :P lol I don't really care
I +1'd cause it wasn't you that dragged this thread from the depths this time and I was proud.
i have a dream that one day I'll stop bumping
Quote from: Taysby on December 18, 2013, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on December 18, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
.love. .politics.. 'Nuff said.
If you just .love. .politics., then you will be the poor person under a dictator ship that can't afford to buy food, because you didn't fight it It in the first place. You need to be involved to get what you want.
Meh. I get frustrated listening to the stupid political bullsh.. so I figure I just won't worry about it. Nothing I alone can do about it, so I'll maintain my blissful ignorance, whether it is a poor decision or not.
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 18, 2013, 05:24:33 PM
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I think Obama is trying to do the right thing but, and this is the truth, the Republicabs simply FON'T WANT to help the democrats. And Tgey don't want to agree. But yes. He has made some bad choices. But overall he's helped the US WAAAY more than Bush did, and Romney would have. Romney only would've helped the wealthy, and practically killed the poor. That's my opinion. I am not biased forwards any side. Also, I think Obama is getting some hate because he's black. One Romney campaign said this and claimed it "a handicap". What we SHOULD do:
RYAN HIGA! Watch the video.
But yeah, I'm not biased, and speak only the facts.
Srsly, a neg from July about my opinion? :P lol I don't really care
I +1'd cause it wasn't you that dragged this thread from the depths this time and I was proud.
i have a dream that one day I'll stop bumping
That day can be today. You have the ability.
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Quote from: Wingnut on December 18, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on December 17, 2013, 06:56:08 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 23, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
I think Obama is trying to do the right thing but, and this is the truth, the Republicabs simply FON'T WANT to help the democrats. And Tgey don't want to agree. But yes. He has made some bad choices. But overall he's helped the US WAAAY more than Bush did, and Romney would have. Romney only would've helped the wealthy, and practically killed the poor. That's my opinion. I am not biased forwards any side. Also, I think Obama is getting some hate because he's black. One Romney campaign said this and claimed it "a handicap". What we SHOULD do:
RYAN HIGA! Watch the video.
But yeah, I'm not biased, and speak only the facts.
Srsly, a neg from July about my opinion? :P lol I don't really care
I +1'd cause it wasn't you that dragged this thread from the depths this time and I was proud.
i have a dream that one day I'll stop bumping
That day can be today. You have the ability.
I lost :(
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I know. I'm suggesting VERY LIMITED government oversight. Just because if that happened, America's economy would go down the tubes and that would be very bad.
The economy is going to the tubes now because we let them interfere. There should be NO government oversight. You give them a little power and they will grow it into the bureaucratic abomination of Washington DC, bless them. In just a couple centuries.
If the government stops interfering as much, then big corporations will have more power. THAT is what would cause the government to collapse. The big businesses will run the government. The way our government works is far from perfect, but most people would agree that it is one of the best in the world right now.
[Citation needed]
Was it worth dreading up a 5 month conversation just for that? Really? :P
Why are you asking me?