I know, I know... It is boring archetype...:D
But why I am posting it here...? I would like u guys to help me with utilization of this archetype... To be a little different.
Of course the core of the deck is obvious:
{Arcbound Ravager}
{Vault Skirge}
{Etched Champion}
{Ornithopter}
{Memnite}
{Mox Opal}
{Galvanic Blast}
{Thoughtcast}
I would appreciate help...:)
{Cranial Plating}
{Springleaf Drum}
And i personally like a 1 of {Trading Post}
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 06:59:13 PM
{Cranial Plating}
{Springleaf Drum}
And i personally like a 1 of {Trading Post}
Yeah those first two I forgot to write in my starting topic they are quite important... Mhmm {Trading Post} sounds like fun I could test it but 4 mana casting cost...
Quote from: whitedrake on March 29, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 06:59:13 PM
{Cranial Plating}
{Springleaf Drum}
And i personally like a 1 of {Trading Post}
Yeah those first two I forgot to write in my starting topic they are quite important... Mhmm {Trading Post} sounds like fun I could test it but 4 mana casting cost...
Yeah thats why only a 1 of and {Mox Opal} and {Springleaf Drum} could make it turn 2 or 3
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on March 29, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 06:59:13 PM
{Cranial Plating}
{Springleaf Drum}
And i personally like a 1 of {Trading Post}
Yeah those first two I forgot to write in my starting topic they are quite important... Mhmm {Trading Post} sounds like fun I could test it but 4 mana casting cost...
Yeah thats why only a 1 of and {Mox Opal} and {Springleaf Drum} could make it turn 2 or 3
Wait, what?
Tezzeret is better than Trading Post anyways. But having consistent mana for it on turn 4 with only about 22 mana sources and 3-4 taking a turn to cast it is not worth it for and if factor.
Want to make it different? Try building it in a strict budget. Itll be very different. It will also suck.
Another core: {thoughtcast}
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on March 30, 2013, 01:25:43 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on March 29, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 06:59:13 PM
{Cranial Plating}
{Springleaf Drum}
And i personally like a 1 of {Trading Post}
Yeah those first two I forgot to write in my starting topic they are quite important... Mhmm {Trading Post} sounds like fun I could test it but 4 mana casting cost...
Yeah thats why only a 1 of and {Mox Opal} and {Springleaf Drum} could make it turn 2 or 3
Wait, what?
Tezzeret is better than Trading Post anyways. But having consistent mana for it on turn 4 with only about 22 mana sources and 3-4 taking a turn to cast it is not worth it for and if factor.
3 {Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas} 1 {Trading Post}
Quote from: MisterJH on March 30, 2013, 01:35:33 AM
Want to make it different? Try building it in a strict budget. Itll be very different. It will also suck.
Another core: {thoughtcast}
I have {Thoughtcast} in my original post...;)
Mhmm strict budget... U mean without Ravagers, opals, glimmervoids...?
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on March 30, 2013, 01:25:43 AM
Wait, what?
Tezzeret is better than Trading Post anyways. But having consistent mana for it on turn 4 with only about 22 mana sources and 3-4 taking a turn to cast it is not worth it for and if factor.
Mhmm {Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas} looks nice but same problem with him as with {Trading Post}. He is 4 CMC but if I would be able to have him turn 4 on table then turn 5 it would be end of game, most likely...;)
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 30, 2013, 01:42:33 AM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on March 30, 2013, 01:25:43 AM
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on March 29, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 29, 2013, 06:59:13 PM
{Cranial Plating}
{Springleaf Drum}
And i personally like a 1 of {Trading Post}
Yeah those first two I forgot to write in my starting topic they are quite important... Mhmm {Trading Post} sounds like fun I could test it but 4 mana casting cost...
Yeah thats why only a 1 of and {Mox Opal} and {Springleaf Drum} could make it turn 2 or 3
Wait, what?
Tezzeret is better than Trading Post anyways. But having consistent mana for it on turn 4 with only about 22 mana sources and 3-4 taking a turn to cast it is not worth it for and if factor.
3 {Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas} 1 {Trading Post}
How about no to either and go with a Galvanic Blast and Thoughtcast.
Getting that four mana to cast them isn't easy at all with such an obscure mana base. It is easier to go for Master of Etherium or Etched Champion and even those see trouble getting on to the field because the mana base runs on such a low fringe and it takes more to go for higher costing cards with this being the fastest creature based deck in the format. Go low or go home with affinity.
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 04:54:12 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on March 30, 2013, 01:35:33 AM
Want to make it different? Try building it in a strict budget. Itll be very different. It will also suck.
Another core: {thoughtcast}
I have {Thoughtcast} in my original post...;)
Mhmm strict budget... U mean without Ravagers, opals, glimmervoids...?
So, not affinity?
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on March 30, 2013, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 04:54:12 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on March 30, 2013, 01:35:33 AM
Want to make it different? Try building it in a strict budget. Itll be very different. It will also suck.
Another core: {thoughtcast}
I have {Thoughtcast} in my original post...;)
Mhmm strict budget... U mean without Ravagers, opals, glimmervoids...?
So, not affinity?
Same wonder here... I think u cannot make strictly budget affinity... Bcs the core cards are not budget... Seems that I will have to go with boring not original version... I like this archetype but it is so not surprising ur opponent.... After first round he will know what you have in your deck...
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 10:19:39 AM
Quote from: DeathlyFoiend on March 30, 2013, 10:12:53 AM
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 04:54:12 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on March 30, 2013, 01:35:33 AM
Want to make it different? Try building it in a strict budget. Itll be very different. It will also suck.
Another core: {thoughtcast}
I have {Thoughtcast} in my original post...;)
Mhmm strict budget... U mean without Ravagers, opals, glimmervoids...?
So, not affinity?
Same wonder here... I think u cannot make strictly budget affinity... Bcs the core cards are not budget... Seems that I will have to go with boring not original version... I like this archetype but it is so not surprising ur opponent.... After first round he will know what you have in your deck...
That is the same for most decks though. What is in Kiki-pod, Melira-pod, rdw. The same cards that do what the deck needs. The problem with affinity is not that it is boring but the artifact is so vibrant in every sideboard.
It means to go with something like that...:(
Affinity
75 cards, 15 sideboard
4 {Darksteel Citadel}
4 {Blinkmoth Nexus}
1 {Island}
2 {Glimmervoid}
4 {Inkmoth Nexus}
1 {Mountain}
16 lands
3 {Steel Overseer}
1 {Master of Etherium}
4 {Ornithopter}
4 {Arcbound Ravager}
2 {Etched Champion}
2 {Memnite}
4 {Vault Skirge}
4 {Signal Pest}
24 creatures
4 {Galvanic Blast}
4 {Springleaf Drum}
4 {Cranial Plating}
4 {Mox Opal}
4 {Thoughtcast}
20 other spells
Sideboard
2 {Whipflare}
1 {Ancient Grudge}
2 {Etched Champion}
1 {Welding Jar}
2 {Rest in Peace}
2 {Unified Will}
2 {Dismember}
2 {Nature's Claim}
1 {Torpor Orb}
15 sideboard cards
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 10:37:18 AM
It means to go with something like that...:(
Affinity
75 cards, 15 sideboard
4 {Darksteel Citadel}
4 {Blinkmoth Nexus}
1 {Island}
2 {Glimmervoid}
4 {Inkmoth Nexus}
1 {Mountain}
16 lands
3 {Steel Overseer}
1 {Master of Etherium}
4 {Ornithopter}
4 {Arcbound Ravager}
2 {Etched Champion}
2 {Memnite}
4 {Vault Skirge}
4 {Signal Pest}
24 creatures
4 {Galvanic Blast}
4 {Springleaf Drum}
4 {Cranial Plating}
4 {Mox Opal}
4 {Thoughtcast}
20 other spells
Sideboard
2 {Whipflare}
1 {Ancient Grudge}
2 {Etched Champion}
1 {Welding Jar}
2 {Rest in Peace}
2 {Unified Will}
2 {Dismember}
2 {Nature's Claim}
1 {Torpor Orb}
15 sideboard cards
I think you would want more than just 2 main {Etched Champion}
{Etched Champion} is wonderful but he is not always the best draw..;) it always depends on opponents deck that's the reason why he is in sideboard...
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 01:21:46 PM
{Etched Champion} is wonderful but he is not always the best draw..;) it always depends on opponents deck that's the reason why he is in sideboard...
What is he bad agaisnt?
Quote from: Bman0121 on March 30, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 01:21:46 PM
{Etched Champion} is wonderful but he is not always the best draw..;) it always depends on opponents deck that's the reason why he is in sideboard...
What is he bad agaisnt?
Affinity. Merfolk.
With his cmc there is no need for him if u do not face deck with ground creatures u need to block... The thing is mainly that turn two or three I want to play {Cranial Plating} and equip it.. ;)
And as written above... Affinity and Fish is not really nice to oppose...
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 01:52:10 PM
With his cmc there is no need for him if u do not face deck with ground creatures u need to block... The thing is mainly that turn two or three I want to play {Cranial Plating} and equip it.. ;)
And as written above... Affinity and Fish is not really nice to oppose...
Run 3 Master of Etherium and 3 Arcbound Ravagers. Run 2 Steel Overseer and 4 Memnites. Stronger and a sturdier build for tournaments game 1.
Mhmmm am not sure about {Memnite} 4 off bcs he is kinda guy who will not pass through the defense later turn 3-4... But guess the other adjustments are quite good idea...
Quote from: whitedrake on March 30, 2013, 02:02:29 PM
Mhmmm am not sure about {Memnite} 4 off bcs he is kinda guy who will not pass through the defense later turn 3-4... But guess the other adjustments are quite good idea...
Memnites are the ones that are usually cut when sideboarding. I always use four around because it just makes Thoughtcast and Galvanic Blast a lot better in the end. But if you don't want to waste the space, please don't and fill it with something that you see more fit.