So I've been answering questions, posting in general, making decks etc. I've been being downvoted on very corner, I haven't said anying demeaning or cruel or hurtful to anyone, no swearing. But I've been downvoted and not once up voted, what gives? I haven't done any trades and I doubt anyone will because they'll see negative karma and people will downvote for me for no reason. May I ask why this is?
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 08:22:23 PM
So I've been answering questions, posting in general, making decks etc. I've been being downvoted on very corner, I haven't said shying demeaning or cruel or hurtful to anyone, no swearing. But I've been downvoted and not once up voted, what gives? I haven't done any trades and I doubt anyone will because they'll see negative karma and people will downvote for me for no reason. May I ask why this is?
Don't get too frustrated about it, some folks are just trigger happy with the karma for disagreeing with something, I try to not pay attention to it; I had -3 or -4 karma my first week here and then it bounced back. You can find what people rated you down for on your profile/karma - somethings you posted that get "liked" or "disliked" really don't make any sense at all sometimes.
I tend to only dislike posts if they are clearly: Not using the search function; being rude/dismissive to others; or simply not thinking and letting the immature person inside of them speak out loud and clearly.
I honestly have no idea. Some people get a little trigger happy with karma. Honestly try not to worry about it so much, stick around, contribute to the forum, and karma will come when you least expect it. :)
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 25, 2013, 08:32:50 PM
I honestly have no idea. Some people get a little trigger happy with karma. Honestly try not to worry about it so much, stick around, contribute to the forum, and karma will come when you least expect it. :)
Like someone asked about {Shattering Blow} and exiling an artifact creature. I told them yes but also said artifact lands can as well and so can {Inkmoth Nexus} can as well given it became an artifact creature.
I understand I explained more than they asked but I told them because it's related, they were new, and they might have been confused about it in other games.
It bothers me because it hurts my reliability in trading and answering questions. If I get downvoted too much I'll just make a new account, which is going to suck.
Just as people can see the amount of karma you have, they can also see what you've revived karma for and also everything you've posted. I really wouldn't worry too much about that.
I looked at your posts and don't see how you're at -4. It's impossible to censor what you say to make everyone on the forum happy. I'll give you a +1 to set you back on track.
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 25, 2013, 08:40:48 PM
Just as people can see the amount of karma you have, they can also see what you've revived karma for and also everything you've posted. I really wouldn't worry too much about that.
I looked at your posts and don't see how you're at -4. It's impossible to censor what you say to make everyone on the forum happy. I'll give you a +1 to set you back on track.
Thanks, gah I'm a good player too, good as in, give cards to someone if they need it, let oppenets go first (unless it's 1st turn combo decks) stuff like that. It just bothers me to come on here and attempt to help only to be downvoted by an anonymous user.
I checked over your stuff as well. +1 to help you get back on track. Haven't seen any reason for anything Neg (my opinion).
Karma scotch to the rescue. Don't worry bro, karma means next to nothing on this forum...just keep doing what you're doing (being helpful with rules, contributing ideas, constructive criticism of posted decks, etc.) and it'll all work out. Just takes awhile for the community to get a feel for you...
All good now! :D
I think there is someone or a few someones that go around giving negative karma to anyone they can. I've had negative karma given to me for what I thought was a reasonable answer in rules also... Don't worry about it too much. It doesn't reflect on you as a trader by any means... You just have to establish yourself as trustworthy to get that ball rolling.
Quote from: Falcon182 on March 25, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
I think there is someone or a few someones that go around giving negative karma to anyone they can. I've had negative karma given to me for what I thought was a reasonable answer in rules also... Don't worry about it too much. It doesn't reflect on you as a trader by any means... You just have to establish yourself as trustworthy to get that ball rolling.
Thanks guys, this made my day. I'm happy to hear that it doesn't affect trading and people's opinion on that. That relieves me a lot actually
Yea man i have been having that problem too. I post some fun, great stuff and just get - karma. I even got - karma for something i posted 1 and 1/2 months ago... My opinion could have changed lol
The down vote on the Shattering Pulse was from me. As the current primary Rules mod, I have to make sure that the rules section is nice and organized. One of the best ways to do this is keeping topics short, and precise. If people continue to answer questions that have already been resolved or answered, it could dilute the strength of the answers and potentially bring up more questions (through poor wording, different examples, unneeded scenarios, etc). Your explanation was fine, but the question had already been answered, and I've noticed these comments happening a lot. I absolutely hate giving negative karma, but its my way of saying "I appreciate your effort, but please, refrain from restating already answered questions."
I hope this didnt discourage you in any way, I love to see people helping out, just try and keep in mind: Keeping Rules question topics short and precise is the best way to go. I've seen question restating confuse new players, and we don't want that. Feel free to answer questions, just try to be a bit quicker on the draw 😉
For the record, I hold nothing against you, and hope you enjoy the community of iMtG.
I honestly hate karma, you should build a reputation based on what you do/say not to get some stupid number higher. With the number some people see it and just disregard you, it allows easy trolling because people care way to much about it (see the 3-4 threads the past month about people begging for better karma). That being said it does have it's uses with trading if people only go here to trade or are new and haven't witnessed the reputation a person has made for themselves. Just be yourself, I've seen you be helpful already, don't worry about a silly number.
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
The down vote on the Shattering Pulse was from me. As the current primary Rules mod, I have to make sure that the rules section is nice and organized. One of the best ways to do this is keeping topics short, and precise. If people continue to answer questions that have already been resolved or answered, it could dilute the strength of the answers and potentially bring up more questions (through poor wording, different examples, unneeded scenarios, etc). Your explanation was fine, but the question had already been answered, and I've noticed these comments happening a lot. I absolutely hate giving negative karma, but its my way of saying "I appreciate your effort, but please, refrain from restating already answered questions."
I hope this didnt discourage you in any way, I love to see people helping out, just try and keep in mind: Keeping Rules question topics short and precise is the best way to go. I've seen question restating confuse new players, and we don't want that. Feel free to answer questions, just try to be a bit quicker on the draw 😉
For the record, I hold nothing against you, and hope you enjoy the community of iMtG.
Keyeto: what about locking a resolved topic in rules?
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
The down vote on the Shattering Pulse was from me. As the current primary Rules mod, I have to make sure that the rules section is nice and organized. One of the best ways to do this is keeping topics short, and precise. If people continue to answer questions that have already been resolved or answered, it could dilute the strength of the answers and potentially bring up more questions (through poor wording, different examples, unneeded scenarios, etc). Your explanation was fine, but the question had already been answered, and I've noticed these comments happening a lot. I absolutely hate giving negative karma, but its my way of saying "I appreciate your effort, but please, refrain from restating already answered questions."
I hope this didnt discourage you in any way, I love to see people helping out, just try and keep in mind: Keeping Rules question topics short and precise is the best way to go. I've seen question restating confuse new players,
and we don't want that. Feel free to answer questions, just try to be a bit quicker on the draw 😉
For the record, I hold nothing against you, and hope you enjoy the community of iMtG.
You could just message me... That doesn't really help its like telling a child he did something bad not what or how he could do better.
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
The down vote on the Shattering Pulse was from me. As the current primary Rules mod, I have to make sure that the rules section is nice and organized. One of the best ways to do this is keeping topics short, and precise. If people continue to answer questions that have already been resolved or answered, it could dilute the strength of the answers and potentially bring up more questions (through poor wording, different examples, unneeded scenarios, etc). Your explanation was fine, but the question had already been answered, and I've noticed these comments happening a lot. I absolutely hate giving negative karma, but its my way of saying "I appreciate your effort, but please, refrain from restating already answered questions."
I hope this didnt discourage you in any way, I love to see people helping out, just try and keep in mind: Keeping Rules question topics short and precise is the best way to go. I've seen question restating confuse new players, and we don't want that. Feel free to answer questions, just try to be a bit quicker on the draw 😉
For the record, I hold nothing against you, and hope you enjoy the community of iMtG.
Keyeto while I appreciate your thought behind negative karma, I don't think that's how you should handle things like that. It could discourage people from helping with rulings and may turn them off from the forums if they keep getting negative karma.. maybe there's a better way to tell someone thanks but we've got this one covered? Like a pm or something?
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 25, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
I think before they get the negative karma, mods should see the post that your giving - karma for. If they can understand why they will allow it. If they dont, they will deny it. And i better not get - karma for this lol
That would be a huge time kill for them. I would rather keep them focused on more important things I. The imtg boards.
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 25, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
I think before they get the negative karma, mods should see the post that your giving - karma for. If they can understand why they will allow it. If they dont, they will deny it. And i better not get - karma for this lol
That would defeat the purpose of giving people the right to give or take karma freely. I don't understand everyone's mindset, so why should I (or anyone else) decide what people do and don't like? If unneeded karma is floating around, it's usually addressed and fixed.
I know.. It was pretty stupid lol.
Quote from: Greg54js on March 25, 2013, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
The down vote on the Shattering Pulse was from me. As the current primary Rules mod, I have to make sure that the rules section is nice and organized. One of the best ways to do this is keeping topics short, and precise. If people continue to answer questions that have already been resolved or answered, it could dilute the strength of the answers and potentially bring up more questions (through poor wording, different examples, unneeded scenarios, etc). Your explanation was fine, but the question had already been answered, and I've noticed these comments happening a lot. I absolutely hate giving negative karma, but its my way of saying "I appreciate your effort, but please, refrain from restating already answered questions."
I hope this didnt discourage you in any way, I love to see people helping out, just try and keep in mind: Keeping Rules question topics short and precise is the best way to go. I've seen question restating confuse new players, and we don't want that. Feel free to answer questions, just try to be a bit quicker on the draw 😉
For the record, I hold nothing against you, and hope you enjoy the community of iMtG.
Keyeto while I appreciate your thought behind negative karma, I don't think that's how you should handle things like that. It could discourage people from helping with rulings and may turn them off from the forums if they keep getting negative karma.. maybe there's a better way to tell someone thanks but we've got this one covered? Like a pm or something?
Exactly my thoughts, I was getting frustrated because I was getting negative feedback, I got nothing from the mods so how was I supposed to know? And to fortify your other reason, yes it was discouraging me not only from answering in the "Ask" section, but also from the app altogether. Because I felt like I wasn't being appreciated by the community.
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 25, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
I know.. It was pretty stupid lol.
Guess -1 karma for that
Jkjk
Gotta keep in mind, Rules gets a lot of questions at a time. The mods there may not want to take the extra time to go through each post again and PM/lock/whatever all of them. I think Keyeto's doing just fine ;)
Umbra. I shall give you +1 just to be nice lol :)
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:20 PM
Gotta keep in mind, Rules gets a lot of questions at a time. The mods there may not want to take the extra time to go through each post again and PM/lock/whatever all of them. I think Keyeto's doing just fine ;)
That's their job as moderators, if they half-ass it, things like this occur.
It's not a job it's a time donation there is no pay involved.
I will personally donate time to go thru posts if it will alleviate pressure from the mods who don't have much time :)
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:20 PM
Gotta keep in mind, Rules gets a lot of questions at a time. The mods there may not want to take the extra time to go through each post again and PM/lock/whatever all of them. I think Keyeto's doing just fine ;)
That's their job as moderators, if they half-ass it, things like this occur.
It's not your call what we as mods should or should not do. I haven't encountered a problem with the way keyeto is running the rules section.
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 25, 2013, 09:59:47 PM
Umbra. I shall give you +1 just to be nice lol :)
Thank you, once I reach 100 post I shall karma you as well
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:20 PM
Gotta keep in mind, Rules gets a lot of questions at a time. The mods there may not want to take the extra time to go through each post again and PM/lock/whatever all of them. I think Keyeto's doing just fine ;)
That's their job as moderators, if they half-ass it, things like this occur.
We don't do this as a job haha. Keyeto's there to answer rules questions as a helpful figure to everyone here, not sort through every post and try to tidy them. He's not half-assing it, he's just trying to keep it flowing and organized ;)
As I said, if keyeto would like I'll help him sort thru posts to find unrelated ones
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:20 PM
Gotta keep in mind, Rules gets a lot of questions at a time. The mods there may not want to take the extra time to go through each post again and PM/lock/whatever all of them. I think Keyeto's doing just fine ;)
That's their job as moderators, if they half-ass it, things like this occur.
Sorry if you feel I'm half-assing it, mind explaining what you would do better? I ask this honestly, not sardonically.
And maybe some people find its half-assed to go around the rules section and restate the already given resolved answer. Karma is an opinion based action. You can't tell people their opinion is wrong.
Again, I apologize if it upset you, but I have to do what I can to make sure every rules question is correctly answered and dealt with. I don't always have time to pm everyone "Good job" or "hey, someone already answered this". This is why we have karma, it's quick, and generally gets the point across.
Quote from: Moneekahh on March 25, 2013, 10:03:15 PM
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on March 25, 2013, 09:58:20 PM
Gotta keep in mind, Rules gets a lot of questions at a time. The mods there may not want to take the extra time to go through each post again and PM/lock/whatever all of them. I think Keyeto's doing just fine ;)
That's their job as moderators, if they half-ass it, things like this occur.
It's not your call what we as mods should or should not do. I haven't encountered a problem with the way keyeto is running the rules section.
This seems to be a problem honestly. All I'm saying is he could make a copy paste pm warning saying "please don't answer a question that was already answered in the ask section, thank you." Downvoting seems like a very harsh matter of resolving things
Then tell me, was is being half-assed about the Rules section? I'd like to think I'm doing a decent job, but if I'm not, tell me what I can do better.
All the mods are good people, if you've got suggestions we will listen. Redirecting or approving karma is a bit much. We're not immune to it, nor would we be if given the choice. We can give it and receive it.
That being said, this is strictly a voluntary position. Everyone is encouraged to do their best for the community and do the right thing, mod or not. Honestly, mods are basically regular users. All of us were picked for our contributions.
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 10:15:03 PM
Then tell me, was is being half-assed about the Rules section? I'd like to think I'm doing a decent job, but if I'm not, tell me what I can do better.
Maybe make a copy/ paste message saying "please don't answer a question that was already answered in the Ask section. Thank you" and add another moderator to the section if you need help.
I'm not attacking you or your ways, that's only my verbiage of describing something. I think just similarly how re-answering a question can confuse a play, downvoting can confuse a user.
Quote from: Dudecore on March 25, 2013, 10:16:23 PM
All the mods are good people, if you've got suggestions we will listen. Redirecting or approving karma is a bit much. We're not immune to it, nor would we be if given the choice. We can give it and receive it.
That being said, this is strictly a voluntary position. Everyone is encouraged to do their best for the community and do the right thing, mod or not. Honestly, mods are basically regular users. All of us were picked for our contributions.
I'm not saying he's doing bad, but not telling a user what he did wrong just seems like nothing is going to get resolved.
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 10:15:03 PM
Then tell me, was is being half-assed about the Rules section? I'd like to think I'm doing a decent job, but if I'm not, tell me what I can do better.
Maybe make a copy/ paste message saying "please don't answer a question that was already answered in the Ask section. Thank you" and add another moderator to the section if you need help.
I'm not attacking you or your ways, that's only my verbiage of describing something. I think just similarly how re-answering a question can confuse a play, downvoting can confuse a user.
Keyeto isn't the only rules person. Mikefrompluto, Double-O-Scotch, Gorzo, myself (rarely) all frequent the forum. The "PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING" thread outlines some of what is expected for posting in that forum.
It doesn't explicitly state "do no repeat rules answers", but do request that you use the search function.
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 10:15:03 PM
Then tell me, was is being half-assed about the Rules section? I'd like to think I'm doing a decent job, but if I'm not, tell me what I can do better.
Maybe make a copy/ paste message saying "please don't answer a question that was already answered in the Ask section. Thank you" and add another moderator to the section if you need help.
I'm not attacking you or your ways, that's only my verbiage of describing something. I think just similarly how re-answering a question can confuse a play, downvoting can confuse a user.
The whole point of karma was to have an anonymous way of expressing your like or dislike of a post. I came out on my own to tell you I did this. If we Pm'd people everytime they upset us, there'd be a lot more irritated people on this forum. In general, it's better to look at a post and say "oh, people don't like that" and move on. It isn't supposed to be life or death, or harsh, or crippling; whatever you want to call it. The point of my post was to admit what I did, apologize if it upset you, and move on. We don't need any arguments, agreed?
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 10:32:10 PM
Quote from: Umbra on March 25, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on March 25, 2013, 10:15:03 PM
Then tell me, was is being half-assed about the Rules section? I'd like to think I'm doing a decent job, but if I'm not, tell me what I can do better.
Maybe make a copy/ paste message saying "please don't answer a question that was already answered in the Ask section. Thank you" and add another moderator to the section if you need help. B
I'm not attacking you or your ways, that's only my verbiage of describing something. I think just similarly how re-answering a question can confuse a play, downvoting can confuse a user.
The whole point of karma was to have an anonymous way of expressing your like or dislike of a post. I came out on my own to tell you I did this. If we Pm'd people everytime they upset us, there'd be a lot more irritated people on this forum. In general, it's better to look at a post and say "oh, people don't like that" and move on. It isn't supposed to be life or death, or harsh, or crippling; whatever you want to call it. The point of my post was to admit what I did, apologize if it upset you, and move on. We don't need any arguments, agreed?
I agree, but I would have understood if you did PM me about that, but like I stated maybe just add "no reanswering an already answered post" in the "PLEASE READ" section. I do appreciate you listening though
Quote from: Kareason on March 25, 2013, 09:16:24 PM
I checked over your stuff as well. +1 to help you get back on track. Haven't seen any reason for anything Neg (my opinion).
Reached 100 votes, liked you