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Title: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 05, 2013, 03:33:22 AM
Me and my freind played yesterday and he got so mad at me.By the end of the game he cast a  {Consuming Aberration} and my Library was so big(56 cards).When he cast the  {Consuming Aberration}I had four mana available so I cast an  {Essence Backlash} for 54 damage to his 15 life and sadly he did not have enough mana for his  {Psychic Strike} in hand.So he threw his cards on the table and left. :P
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Vyse on March 05, 2013, 03:56:34 AM
 {Consuming Aberration} is based on graveyard though..? I'll assume that's what you meant though, in which case it's pretty cool. However I'm thinking his power may have been 0 since he wasn't on field upon re-checking..
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 05, 2013, 04:11:49 AM
Quote from: Vyse on March 05, 2013, 03:56:34 AM
{Consuming Aberration} is based on graveyard though..? I'll assume that's what you meant though, in which case it's pretty cool. However I'm thinking his power may have been 0 since he wasn't on field upon re-checking..

Nope,I checked  {Consuming Aberration} does not have the "enters the battlefeild with X +1/+1 counters on it for each card in your opponents graveyard" thus {Consuming Aberration} was already 54/54.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 05, 2013, 04:12:47 AM
Still pretty cool though.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Drewy on March 05, 2013, 05:24:39 AM
He means that u said library by accident instead of graveyard.
But hey, if it sees play in constructed tourneys {Essence Backlash} may as well
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 05, 2013, 06:22:39 AM
Quote from: Drewy on March 05, 2013, 05:24:39 AM
He means that u said library by accident instead of graveyard.
But hey, if it sees play in constructed tourneys {Essence Backlash} may as well

I guess {Essence Backlash} could be used as a very lethal weapon against Black/Blue mill,and other decks running big creatures.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Kaleo42 on March 05, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
Doesnt work... The creature is a */* until it successfully resolves. That means it is a 0/0 as far as {essance backlash} is concerned.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Maximo on March 05, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on March 05, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
Doesnt work... The creature is a */* until it successfully resolves. That means it is a 0/0 as far as {essance backlash} is concerned.

From Gatherer:


10/1/2012   If the creature's power is * and it has an ability defining its power, use that ability to determine its power.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Kaleo42 on March 05, 2013, 12:35:02 PM
Quote from: Maximo on March 05, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on March 05, 2013, 11:25:30 AM
Doesnt work... The creature is a */* until it successfully resolves. That means it is a 0/0 as far as {essance backlash} is concerned.

From Gatherer:


10/1/2012   If the creature's power is * and it has an ability defining its power, use that ability to determine its power.
Wow, i havent seen that ruling on * before. I apparently got too use to undefined being 0 until otherwise defined. Thats gross. Thank you
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 06, 2013, 06:34:32 AM
By the way do you think  {Psychic Spiral} would also work as an alternative way of destroying {B}{U} mill by means counter mill.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Drewy on March 06, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Only really if u are playing a bit of mill too
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: All-Mana Mania on March 06, 2013, 03:19:58 PM
Or play an enter the infinite deck.
x4 psychic spirals
x4 enter the infinite
x4 serene remeberance
And then whatever else you want.
1. You play enter the infinite and put back any card.
2. You then draw your last card or if the try to mill you use serene rememberance then.
3. If you draw your last card you {serene rememberance} serene rememberance and something else and then psychic spiral him
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 07, 2013, 05:55:24 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 06, 2013, 03:19:58 PM
Or play an enter the infinite deck.
x4 psychic spirals
x4 enter the infinite
x4 serene remeberance
And then whatever else you want.
1. You play enter the infinite and put back any card.
2. You then draw your last card or if the try to mill you use serene rememberance then.
3. If you draw your last card you {serene rememberance} serene rememberance and something else and then psychic spiral him



Will this be a game finisher?
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
In most cases, but if they counter it then you can just play another one so probably.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 07, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
In most cases, but if they counter it then you can just play another one so probably.

So,I'm guessing I will need to change my mana to
4 {Breeding Pool}
4 {Steam Vents}
4  {Stomping Ground}
4  {Forest}, {Island},and {Mountain}
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on March 07, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
In most cases, but if they counter it then you can just play another one so probably.

So,I'm guessing I will need to change my mana to
4 {Breeding Pool}
4 {Steam Vents}
4  {Stomping Ground}
4  {Forest}, {Island},and {Mountain}


Yes
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 08, 2013, 06:36:58 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on March 07, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
In most cases, but if they counter it then you can just play another one so probably.

So,I'm guessing I will need to change my mana to
4 {Breeding Pool}
4 {Steam Vents}
4  {Stomping Ground}
4  {Forest}, {Island},and {Mountain}


Yes

Sorry,can't do Tri-Color right now.I don't have the money to buy said Shocklands.
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: All-Mana Mania on March 08, 2013, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on March 08, 2013, 06:36:58 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on March 07, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
In most cases, but if they counter it then you can just play another one so probably.

So,I'm guessing I will need to change my mana to
4 {Breeding Pool}
4 {Steam Vents}
4  {Stomping Ground}
4  {Forest}, {Island},and {Mountain}


Yes

Sorry,can't do Tri-Color right now.I don't have the money to buy said Shocklands.


That is alright. Make the deck with basic lands and when you get those cards. Start substituting
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: IntoFire on March 08, 2013, 08:17:38 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 08, 2013, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on March 08, 2013, 06:36:58 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: IntoFire on March 07, 2013, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on March 07, 2013, 07:16:11 AM
In most cases, but if they counter it then you can just play another one so probably.

So,I'm guessing I will need to change my mana to
4 {Breeding Pool}
4 {Steam Vents}
4  {Stomping Ground}
4  {Forest}, {Island},and {Mountain}


Yes

Sorry,can't do Tri-Color right now.I don't have the money to buy said Shocklands.


That is alright. Make the deck with basic lands and when you get those cards. Start substituting

Can I substitute said Shocklands for RTR Guildgates or M13 duals?
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: Drewy on March 08, 2013, 08:18:57 PM
Sure can
Title: Re: Epic Izzet Kill
Post by: All-Mana Mania on March 08, 2013, 08:31:03 PM
Yes you can!!! But i would strongly suggest to use the m13 lands. Only because you actually have a chance to have them untapped. And if you do subsitute i would have more basic lands and less dual/m13 lands. And once you get the shock lands then substitute them in for the m13 lands first and then the basic lands. This deck would be really fun to play just because of enter the infinite. And if possible i would put in temporal masteries 👍👍