It sucks that gatecrash, the set i was most excited for is so disapointing the cards are medicore and dont get me wrong some of them are really good like {Obzedat, Ghost Council} this guy us completely insane but the planeswalkers are bad {Gideon, Champion of Justice} will never be good and if he is you just die because they have so many creatures, {Domri Rade} is just awkard in the decks you want him in. My favorite part of gatecrash are the shock lands, {Obzedat, Ghost Council} and {Zameck Guildmage} but other than that its kinda bad.
I will agree that the set is underwhelming at best. But it does have shock lands, some EDH cards for me. I can't see myself playing a lot of limited, or any.
I see the new Gideon as a commander plainswalker
Its just pump spells and return to ravnica was so good it puts a big black cloud over gatecrash, dont get me wrong the cards that are good are super over powered like {Obzedat, Ghost Council} is just insane and it gave decks that are already goid more power but i dont see decks being made just from gatecrash besides esper and jund
Make sure you read {Gideon, Champion of Justice} he says only target player
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 01:14:52 PM
Make sure you read {Gideon, Champion of Justice} he says only target player
I know this I play commander more then anything else I tend to over read cards
I keep telling myself it sucks just because I won't have the money to invest into it for a whole hahah. I try not to get excited about things i can't have 😪
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 01:14:52 PM
Make sure you read {Gideon, Champion of Justice} he says only target player
Well then you just point at the silly elf token player, right? ;)
Quote from: Piotr on January 21, 2013, 01:19:43 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 01:14:52 PM
Make sure you read {Gideon, Champion of Justice} he says only target player
Well then you just point at the silly elf token player, right? ;)
This is why he's a commander plainswalker 😆 there's always one creature heavy player in a group
If a player has enough creatures to make him good then you are pretty much dead comsidering they have that many creatures
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 01:36:17 PM
If a player has enough creatures to make him good then you are pretty much dead comsidering they have that many creatures
You +1 {Gideon, Champion of Justice} then field wipe and you'll be ok.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on January 21, 2013, 01:56:17 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 01:36:17 PM
If a player has enough creatures to make him good then you are pretty much dead comsidering they have that many creatures
You +1 {Gideon, Champion of Justice} then field wipe and you'll be ok.
So you have to work to make him? Which makes a planeswalker bad
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 02:09:34 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on January 21, 2013, 01:56:17 PM
Quote from: Bman0121 on January 21, 2013, 01:36:17 PM
If a player has enough creatures to make him good then you are pretty much dead comsidering they have that many creatures
You +1 {Gideon, Champion of Justice} then field wipe and you'll be ok.
So you have to work to make him? Which makes a planeswalker bad
We're not saying he would be great in the EDH format but only good. If you play with {Doubling Season} then Gideon could be a good beater early one. Most cards that are printed don't seem good at first but there is always a format that can use such a card.
Hah I see what you did there with the title ;)
It all depends on what kind of strategy you use really. I'm sure some cards could work. You just have to try them before your disappointed
Ya I mean I'm so excite for this set because even though the whole set as a whole may be scattered a bit, I see alot of promise for certain cards. I am a casual player, so for me, this has alot of great cards. I will probably bomb in the prerelease but I can see myself getting alot of this set.
For me I really like these plainswalkers!! Domri is for a power, smashing, killing deck cause you know he's gruul. While Gideon he more like get 200 loyalty use ultimate then next turn you opponent is screwed!! The mechanics are wonderful!! Evolve, battalion, extort, cipher and I forget the other one. The leaders: some are good some aren't that great. {Obzedat, Ghost Council} is one of those good ones. And better with Gideon on his side. He mainly goes in then back out, go in then back out and attacking while doing this process. {Lazav, Dimir Mastermind} is another one of those good ones. He is mainly the shapeshifting god. But sometimes he might be crappy just because of the graveyard card. {Borborygmos Enraged} is a pretty good one. I mean 7/6 trample is a good start. But his ability personally I don like. I mean woohoo you get three lands great ahaha. {Prime Speaker Zegana} is a good one too. She is a 1/1 for 6 mana that mainly could differ from your creatures. So she is better late game. Finally {Aurelia, the Warleader} is amazing for a attack full force deck. It mainly is like all your creatures have double strike. So overall I'm very excited for this set an I can't wait for dragons maze
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on January 21, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
For me I really like these plainswalkers!! Domri is for a power, smashing, killing deck cause you know he's gruul. While Gideon he more like get 200 loyalty use ultimate then next turn you opponent is screwed!! The mechanics are wonderful!! Evolve, battalion, extort, cipher and I forget the other one. The leaders: some are good some aren't that great. {Obzedat, Ghost Council} is one of those good ones. And better with Gideon on his side. He mainly goes in then back out, go in then back out and attacking while doing this process. {Lazav, Dimir Mastermind} is another one of those good ones. He is mainly the shapeshifting god. But sometimes he might be crappy just because of the graveyard card. {Borborygmos Enraged} is a pretty good one. I mean 7/6 trample is a good start. But his ability personally I don like. I mean woohoo you get three lands great ahaha. {Prime Speaker Zegana} is a good one too. She is a 1/1 for 6 mana that mainly could differ from your creatures. So she is better late game. Finally {Aurelia, the Warleader} is amazing for a attack full force deck. It mainly is like all your creatures have double strike. So overall I'm very excited for this set an I can't wait for dragons maze
According to you, all 5 of them are good. ;)
I think that Lazav and Obzedat will find homes in successful standard decks, but not the rest.
I don't think Lazav will see much constructed play, because he doesn't get ETB effects. There are hardly any creatures in the competitive t2 enviornment that are not played because of their etb effect. Angel of Serenity? Thragtusk? Armada Wurm? Geralf's Messenger? These creatures would be average without their effects. This makes Lazav average.
I dig this set a lot, I think most of my excitement comes from the fact that I chose Simic and Simic turned out to be extremely beast. But beside Limited, there are so many sleepers in this set it's not even funny. I actually don't know what to build now because of all of the cards I like from the set. I look at every single card individually and then make my judgment. I'm sorry that you feel this way about the set, maybe it'll grow on you, although for some I think it'll be another Avacyn Restored - a bad set with power cards, which is dead wrong.
Quote from: Maximo on January 21, 2013, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: All-Mana Mania on January 21, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
For me I really like these plainswalkers!! Domri is for a power, smashing, killing deck cause you know he's gruul. While Gideon he more like get 200 loyalty use ultimate then next turn you opponent is screwed!! The mechanics are wonderful!! Evolve, battalion, extort, cipher and I forget the other one. The leaders: some are good some aren't that great. {Obzedat, Ghost Council} is one of those good ones. And better with Gideon on his side. He mainly goes in then back out, go in then back out and attacking while doing this process. {Lazav, Dimir Mastermind} is another one of those good ones. He is mainly the shapeshifting god. But sometimes he might be crappy just because of the graveyard card. {Borborygmos Enraged} is a pretty good one. I mean 7/6 trample is a good start. But his ability personally I don like. I mean woohoo you get three lands great ahaha. {Prime Speaker Zegana} is a good one too. She is a 1/1 for 6 mana that mainly could differ from your creatures. So she is better late game. Finally {Aurelia, the Warleader} is amazing for a attack full force deck. It mainly is like all your creatures have double strike. So overall I'm very excited for this set an I can't wait for dragons maze
According to you, all 5 of them are good. ;)
I think that Lazav and Obzedat will find homes in successful standard decks, but not the rest.
Well what I think is that those two, prime speaker and Aurelia are gonna be great while I really don't like borbortgmos.
Gatecrash has some of the most powerful cards i have seen in a long time. Ive been playing competetive for 10 years and this is the first set i am buying a case of.
Aurelia is better then double strike. Want to know why? What happens if all your creatures already have double strike? Can you say killed by 5 1/1 tokens?
Look at gideon as a 4/4 for 4 that cant be killed by sorcery kill spells and that cant block
Quote from: 8AuGuR8 on January 22, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
Look at gideon as a 4/4 for 4 that cant be killed by sorcery kill spells and that cant block
He dies to dreadbore and the way you said that he still bad. Tragic slip, dreadbore miracled terminous and if they have enough creatures ro make him good he is probably dead or your probably dead
Quote from: bravado883 on January 22, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
All planeswalkers die to {Dreadbore}. This makes {Dreadbore} good, it doesn't make planeswalkers bad. If Gideon were a four drop 4/4 creature that can't block but is indestructible, would you play it? And you can target yourself if you have a bunch a creatures, so the "you're already losing" argument doesn't follow. Whether he's great or not remains to be seen, but he's definitely not HORRIBLE. Most of the guild leaders are mediocre to good, while Obzedat and Zegana are awesome. With the exception of Gruul, I think it can be argued the new charms are stronger. I really don't see how people can be disappointed before we've seen these cards in action.
I 100% agree
I thought it was target opponent....even if, the card is not that great. It's a white artifact that does something very limited.
Quote from: bravado883 on January 22, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
All planeswalkers die to {Dreadbore}. This makes {Dreadbore} good, it doesn't make planeswalkers bad. If Gideon were a four drop 4/4 creature that can't block but is indestructible, would you play it? And you can target yourself if you have a bunch a creatures, so the "you're already losing" argument doesn't follow. Whether he's great or not remains to be seen, but he's definitely not HORRIBLE. Most of the guild leaders are mediocre to good, while Obzedat and Zegana are awesome. With the exception of Gruul, I think it can be argued the new charms are stronger. I really don't see how people can be disappointed before we've seen these cards in action.
Im saying that as long as dreadbore is around gideon is bad
Run Gideon with {sphere of safety} and the problem of "being dead anyway" is solved. Also, Gideon's +1 says opponent, but if you get him up to fatal level then ultimate him, you can just win by floating some mana first. I think Gideon has a place in standard and look forward to building with him in mind
Some cards look horrible on paper, but are awesome in application. And some cards, have cards that make then kick @$$ released in future sets (intentionally, and accidentally) so I say. Gideon could indeed have a use. We'll just have to wait and see
You cannot target yourself with gideon.
Nutella is good.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on January 22, 2013, 03:49:36 PM
Nutella is good.
"Food of the Gods" is what it should be called.
Quote from: KangaRod on January 23, 2013, 01:05:39 AM
I suspect a lot of decks will run {Gideon, Champion of Justice}... I think while it may not appear all that good, {Gideon Jura} saw lots of play and they are very similar cards
First off, {Gideon Jura} is an ENTIRELY different ballpark. He protects himself very well by having so much loyalty, kills a pesky tapped guy, and swings the tide by making your opponents guys hit him. His ability to turn into a 6/6 beatstick was on the lower end of the scale, while still entirely relevant, especially after the "alpha strike" on him, if he lived. The new Gideon only turns into a guy. that's it. His ultimate is like ulty-ing Karn, it's cool I guess, but you can't really build a deck around it. I would WAY rather drop {Ajani, Caller of the Pride} or {Silverblade Paladin} the turn before and do some good, rather than just having an artifact sit there.I saw the spoiler of him, and got so excited. I thought "oh man! New Gideon!". But no, after having some time for him to sink in, I just really don't like him. He's not that good, and don't get me wrong, I would love to eat my words, "Please, please someone break him!!!". Sorry, it's not going to happen. Last time I checked, you're not an opponent, and giving your opponents creatures, is generally bad, unless your playing {Forbidden Orchard}.
First off I want a Gideon because he looks bad ass. Second I guess I pictured running him with red. Vexing, Hellriders, and DDamage then finishing with him as either a board wipe or nice indestructible creature swinging alongside some riders..but I don't like Standard myself so what do I know.
I, for one, LOVE Gatecrash. It's either my favorite or second-favorite set, which is saying a lot, because I hated RTR. But don't forget the best card in the set, the epic mythic that sent my Johnny senses tingling, and possibly my favorite card: {Duskmantle Seer}!