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Zombze 73 cards, 13 sideboard 10 {Island} 12 {Swamp} 22 lands 2 {Grimgrin, Corpse-Born} 4 {Cemetery Reaper} 4 {Walking Corpse} 4 {Gravecrawler} 4 {Diregraf Captain} 4 {Diregraf Ghoul} 22 creatures 4 {Ponder} 4 {Mana Leak} 4 {Forbidden Alchemy} 4 {Tragic Slip} 16 other spells Sideboard 4 {Dream Twist} 2 {Armored Skaab} 1 {Jace, Memory Adept} 2 {Doom Blade} 4 {Undead Alchemist} 13 sideboard cards Notes: This is gonna b good with your help

Dont play walking corpse.....

What do you guys think? It has a couple of dark accession

Why not? It's a good 2 drop for a zombie deck

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 01, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Why not? It's a good 2 drop for a zombie deck

I think a better card would be that new 2 drop blue zombie that mills for 2

Quote from: Validan on February 01, 2012, 09:07:21 PM

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 01, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Why not? It's a good 2 drop for a zombie deck

{Black Cat}

I think a better card would be that new 2 drop blue zombie that mills for 2

Quote from: Prophylaxis on February 01, 2012, 09:12:02 PM

Quote from: Validan on February 01, 2012, 09:07:21 PM

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 01, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Why not? It's a good 2 drop for a zombie deck

{Black Cat}

I think a better card would be that new 2 drop blue zombie that mills for 2

{schreeching skaab}

Quote from: Validan on February 01, 2012, 09:38:45 PM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on February 01, 2012, 09:12:02 PM

Quote from: Validan on February 01, 2012, 09:07:21 PM

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 01, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Why not? It's a good 2 drop for a zombie deck

{Black Cat}

I think a better card would be that new 2 drop blue zombie that mills for 2

{schreeching skaab}

you mean shriek guiest?

Hey, i'm a zombie lover here. I'd consider adding 3 cemetery reapers straight up. Sets your card limit at the natural 60, and maxes out your lord count. Cause lords are the most important part of zombies. Also, you might cut all copies of dream twist. There isn't enough mill to satisfy milling yourself or your opponent. In their place put any combination of reanimate stuff. I like ghoulcaller's chant the most because you get two back. Also, gravedigger is nice. Better than ghoulraiser cause it lets you choose which zombie to bring back to your hand. If you can find room, be sure to add mana leaks! This is the most important part of any control based deck. And it's cheap too!

If you need it, i have a couple suggestions for a sideboard as well

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 01, 2012, 10:33:04 PM

Quote from: Validan on February 01, 2012, 09:38:45 PM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on February 01, 2012, 09:12:02 PM

Quote from: Validan on February 01, 2012, 09:07:21 PM

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 01, 2012, 08:08:07 PM
Why not? It's a good 2 drop for a zombie deck

{Black Cat}

I think a better card would be that new 2 drop blue zombie that mills for 2

{schreeching skaab}

you mean shriek guiest?

Nope definitely meant {schreeching skaab}

To evaluate this deck, we must first look at the polar opposite: WW humans for comparison. The humans deck runs high powered things such as hero, crusader, angelic destiny, etc etc.... This deck runs, ghoul raiser, cemetery reaper, and endless ranks. In comparison, the humans deck is much much faster and contains much more powerful things. This deck simply can't deal with a turn four hero or a turn four angelic. When pitted, against eachother, zombies will lose most of the time and it will be a bit depressing. Zombies are a good idea, but the cards simply don't exist to create the ideal zombie deck.
In comparison, these decks are actually quite similar even if they are polar opposites. Both decks focus on massing an army and boosting them. If you are looking for a deck that follows the general guidelines, then humans would outweigh zombies. (even extremely budgeted it is still good)

I am a little saddened by the general lack of quality in Zombies in Standard. 😢
Do you think the DKA zombies like {Gravecrawler} and {Geralf's Messanger} will help zombies be more competitive?

PS: are you working online, or are you typing all of that on an iPhone? ðŸ"±

Quote from: BlackJester on February 02, 2012, 12:07:29 AM
I am a little saddened by the general lack of quality in Zombies in Standard. 😢
Do you think the DKA zombies like {Gravecrawler} and {Geralf's Messanger} will help zombies be more competitive?

PS: are you working online, or are you typing all of that on an iPhone? ðŸ"±

I work on iPhone.
I think (quite frankly) that those cards are overrated. They tried to make another kitchen finks and it didn't work. When compared to the humans in the humans deck, those two cards wouldn't even exist. Sure gerralf's messenger will probably see some play, it is not as good as what people claim it to be, and there would probably be combo decks that play it, zombies can continue to weep.

Actually what I aim for next are some rune binders any thoughts on them? (for those who don't know, rinebindr is a 4 mana human that lets me exile a creature from my graveyard, turn out a 2/2 and give all zombies a 1/1 counter for 3 mana)

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 02, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Actually what I aim for next are some rune binders any thoughts on them? (for those who don't know, rinebindr is a 4 mana human that lets me exile a creature from my graveyard, turn out a 2/2 and give all zombies a 1/1 counter for 3 mana)

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With a diregraf capt or a cemitary reaper that gives me an army of 4/4 by about turn 5 or 6 without tokens for late game. If I get 2 more doom blades and add negates,that give me some control early game. Conclussion: zombie player wipes the board with any thing without flying first strike or a blasphemous act

Quote from: BlackJester on February 02, 2012, 12:35:42 AM

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 02, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
Actually what I aim for next are some rune binders any thoughts on them? (for those who don't know, rinebindr is a 4 mana human that lets me exile a creature from my graveyard, turn out a 2/2 and give all zombies a 1/1 counter for 3 mana)

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k ty

Or white decks can simply win with crusader or hero?

So, you would say that Human decks are the ones to beat in meta?  What beats Humans then?  Anything?

Well that and probly some others but it can win tournaments

Quote from: BlackJester on February 02, 2012, 01:03:20 AM
So, you would say that Human decks are the ones to beat in meta?  What beats Humans then?  Anything?

I'm saying when you are considering an aggro deck that spams stuff and makes them all bigger, then humans are better in just about every way

I feel with DA, zombies are the tribal group that has the best chance of taking the humans on. I have four standard decks that I play currently, and it seems like the one to beat is always the human one.

Quote from: Appleguru56 on February 02, 2012, 01:58:22 AM

Quote from: BlackJester on February 02, 2012, 01:03:20 AM
So, you would say that Human decks are the ones to beat in meta?  What beats Humans then?  Anything?

I'm saying when you are considering an aggro deck that spams stuff and makes them all bigger, then humans are better in just about every way

What I was trying to get at is, if you knew your meta was full of good human decks, would you have a counter-strat? Or would you just build a better humans?

Quote from: BlackJester on February 02, 2012, 02:10:25 AM

Quote from: Appleguru56 on February 02, 2012, 01:58:22 AM

Quote from: BlackJester on February 02, 2012, 01:03:20 AM
So, you would say that Human decks are the ones to beat in meta?  What beats Humans then?  Anything?

I'm saying when you are considering an aggro deck that spams stuff and makes them all bigger, then humans are better in just about every way

What I was trying to get at is, if you knew your meta was full of good human decks, would you have a counter-strat? Or would you just build a better humans?

I will build whatever that will win the most. If the meta is full of humans, it is because someone came up with a great idea of the deck and no one can find an effective way of beating it (cawblade for example). If it means that I can't beat the deck, I will build the deck except better.

So, no "paper" for the meta "rock" then, huh?

Since when did skill stop players from being better? :(

Doesn't matter how skilled u r without the proPer weapons

Quote from: Validan on February 02, 2012, 08:33:59 AM
Since when did skill stop players from being better? :(

One of the important skills as a competitive player is analyzing the meta (or play environment) and using that information to build the best deck.  Not my forté, being a kitchen table player.

Or, you could just control-C some net deck and focus on the gameplay.  There are many skills required to be a talented player.

I think the area I'm in runs vampires or were wolves.when wws go big and vamps go fast what deck would be good? Humans are not an option: nobles beat human way easy.

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 02, 2012, 01:30:10 PM
I think the area I'm in runs vampires or were wolves.when wws go big and vamps go fast what deck would be good? Humans are not an option: nobles beat human way easy.

Why bother about the Noble when you can gut shot, dismember, oblivion ring, marrowshards, etc. it is pretty slow to begin with in the first place.
Just because someone has one card that happens to be good against your deck doss not mean your deck becomes discounted completely.

I think in the matter of human decks, aggro-control decks seem to beat them.. Especially u/w/b aggro control

Would a {levitation} do any good?

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 02, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
Doesn't matter how skilled u r without the proPer weapons

You don't know how wrong that statement is

Quote from: Greg54js on February 02, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
I think in the matter of human decks, aggro-control decks seem to beat them.. Especially u/w/b aggro control

If you run a net deck based deck and you still seem to lose to something else that seems to be indefinitely better, it's probably because you built it wrong, or you are playing it wrong. Not the fault of the archetype itself.

Updated any more ideas?

Quote from: Slaga slasha on February 11, 2012, 09:24:36 PM
Updated any more ideas?

I don't like {Rooftop Storm}. In my experience it's just way too slow.

It's ment for combo crawler and {grimgrin} and {diregraf captain}

I disagree about zombies not being able to compete against humans if you play vapor snag, leak, phyrexian crusader, and 8 lords and highborn goul and the 8 one drops. Than you can compete with humans. I built it and it is a good battle. Humans don't crush it like you think it would.

Personally, I run green/black zombies. The green is strictly for ramp and parallel lives doubles all my tokens. The look on your opponent's face when you drop 26 zombie tokens out with a parallel lives/army of the damned combo is priceless!

But ratchet Bomb would murder

True, but you run that risk with anything though. And with the flashback, its not that big of a deal if a bomb or day goes off. I also use grave & primeval titans, so that's more things for my opponent to worry about

Quote from: Spidey82 on February 13, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
True, but you run that risk with anything though. And with the flashback, its not that big of a deal if a bomb or day goes off. I also use grave & primeval titans, so that's more things for my opponent to worry about

sounds exactlylike this guy who goes 2 my fnm. haha. funny that ur names spidey ciz he loves spiderman. u sound exactly like him

Ha that is funny! Where do you FNM at?

K updated any more advice

This deck made top 4 in GP Baltimore.

4  {Darkslick Shores}
4  {Drowned Catacomb}
14  {Swamp}
22 lands

4  {Diregraf Captain}
4  {Diregraf Ghoul}
2  {Fume Spitter}
4  {Geralf's Messenger}
4  {Gravecrawler}
4  {Phantasmal Image}
2  {Phyrexian Obliterator}
2  {Skirsdag High Priest}
26 creatures

3  {Geth's Verdict}
4  {Motorpod}
2  {Sword of Feast and Famine}
3  {Tragic Slip}
12 other spells

Sideboard
1  {Cemetery Reaper}
3  {Corrosive Gale}
3  {Distress}
2  {Nihil Spellbomb}
1  {Phyrexian Metamorph}
2  {Phyrexian Obliterator}
1  {Swamp}
2  {Sword of War and Peace}
15 sideboard cards
So zombies can be good. {Gravecrawler} and {Geralf's Messenger} are not overrated. And can be real game enders.

How about a couple of {nested ghoul}s?

Maybe and what about {call to kindred}?