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Title: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Mactitioner on October 21, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
 {Trostani, Selesnya's Voice} +  {Séance} .... Think of the awesome stuff you could make!
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Jdogtoocool on October 21, 2012, 11:16:22 PM
Yeah throw some big green or white creatures into the graveyard then bring em back and multiply them, good combo find

You could even add a third color to make the process easier and smoother probably black or blue
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Gorzo on October 22, 2012, 12:10:35 AM
I enjoy populating {sublime archangel} and {thragtusk} tokens in my Selesnya deck with seance.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...

......... what would lotleth troll do to make him a better target than an {angel of serenity} or something...........?
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 01:28:56 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...

......... what would lotleth troll do to make him a better target than an {angel of serenity} or something...........?

I think the idea is that you would not send the  {Lotleth Troll} through the  {Séance} but rather feed the creature tokens generated by the seance to the troll.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Nobbert on October 22, 2012, 02:22:37 AM
I live this combo, the only problem is that it doesn't curve at all. :/
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 22, 2012, 04:33:53 AM
It is really good looking combo... But I think that I will kill opponent earlier with selesnya than I will be able to combine that combo...;)
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 04:57:44 AM
Quote from: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 01:28:56 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...

......... what would lotleth troll do to make him a better target than an {angel of serenity} or something...........?

I think the idea is that you would not send the  {Lotleth Troll} through the  {Séance} but rather feed the creature tokens generated by the seance to the troll.

You don't sac creatures to the troll, you discard creature cards from your hand.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wally on October 22, 2012, 06:20:38 AM
{Acidic slime} for land (and other) destruction :)
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Fenster on October 22, 2012, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 04:57:44 AM
Quote from: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 01:28:56 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...

......... what would lotleth troll do to make him a better target than an {angel of serenity} or something...........?

I think the idea is that you would not send the  {Lotleth Troll} through the  {Séance} but rather feed the creature tokens generated by the seance to the troll.

You don't sac creatures to the troll, you discard creature cards from your hand.
I think he means like a discarding outlet. If you make it junk ({W}{B}{G} right?)
You can make a seance/trostani/lotleth/unburial rites deck even more powerful than it used to be!
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 04:57:44 AM
Quote from: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 01:28:56 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...

......... what would lotleth troll do to make him a better target than an {angel of serenity} or something...........?

I think the idea is that you would not send the  {Lotleth Troll} through the  {Séance} but rather feed the creature tokens generated by the seance to the troll.

You don't sac creatures to the troll, you discard creature cards from your hand.

My bad I should have RTC a little closer
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Greg54js on October 22, 2012, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Mactitioner on October 21, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
{Trostani, Selesnya's Voice} +  {Séance} .... Think of the awesome stuff you could make!
Now do the tokens created by her populate still have the exile at the end step clause?
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Fenster on October 22, 2012, 01:25:33 PM
I think seance banishes the first token. Not sure though.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: D3g3n on October 22, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Fenster on October 22, 2012, 01:25:33 PM
I think seance banishes the first token. Not sure though.
That's right. The token created by Seance will be exiled, meanwhile the token created by Trostani will be a normal token.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Greg54js on October 22, 2012, 01:12:51 PM
Quote from: Mactitioner on October 21, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
{Trostani, Selesnya's Voice} +  {Séance} .... Think of the awesome stuff you could make!
Now do the tokens created by her populate still have the exile at the end step clause?
I would think not as  {Séance} is written "exile token at next end step" not "token has exile at next end step" therefore I believe the populated tokens would stick around.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Greg54js on October 22, 2012, 02:03:48 PM
After further review: trostani's populated version of seance's token would stick around. Seance has the exile clause not the token itself
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Mactitioner on October 22, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
After discovering this combo last night I play tested it in my junk rites deck and it gives me another condition to get creatures from the grave yard and makes  {Angel of Serenity} that more powerful. It can act as a board clear in most situations. I'm going to use it at FNM to see how it runs there.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 22, 2012, 03:24:07 PM
Quote from: Mactitioner on October 22, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
After discovering this combo last night I play tested it in my junk rites deck and it gives me another condition to get creatures from the grave yard and makes  {Angel of Serenity} that more powerful. It can act as a board clear in most situations. I'm going to use it at FNM to see how it runs there.

And I thought that {Angel of Serenity} will be used more like library and graveyard tutor...:) not as a board wiper...:D
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 05:34:49 PM
Quote from: Fenster on October 22, 2012, 09:07:54 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 04:57:44 AM
Quote from: Redrighthand on October 22, 2012, 01:28:56 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 22, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
{lotleth troll}.... I already said this once...

......... what would lotleth troll do to make him a better target than an {angel of serenity} or something...........?

I think the idea is that you would not send the  {Lotleth Troll} through the  {Séance} but rather feed the creature tokens generated by the seance to the troll.

You don't sac creatures to the troll, you discard creature cards from your hand.
I think he means like a discarding outlet. If you make it junk ({W}{B}{G} right?)
You can make a seance/trostani/lotleth/unburial rites deck even more powerful than it used to be!
Bingo!! Tossing a {crater hoof behemoth}
Makes for an interesting turn, this also combines well with cards like {growing ranks}. 3 behemoths enter and you swing the one that exiles, which is the biggest and gets bigger from your 5 sublimes, that's how you win
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Mactitioner on October 22, 2012, 07:25:29 PM
How does the stack work if you have both  {Growing Ranks} and  {Séance} out at the same time?
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Greg54js on October 22, 2012, 07:42:49 PM
So you put growing ranks on first then seance's. Seance's resolves then growing ranks resolves
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Mactitioner on October 22, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
So what do you think is the better combination with  {Séance}...  {Growing Ranks} or  {Trostani, Selesnya's Voice}?
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wally on October 23, 2012, 01:19:24 AM
Why not both? One you pay for and can do whenever (their turn) and the other happens every one of your turns.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wackaman9001 on October 23, 2012, 08:51:48 AM
I use both because trostani also gives life gain
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 23, 2012, 12:52:22 PM
RIP on u guys...:D

It must be really over combined but it must be really fun...:D
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wackaman9001 on October 23, 2012, 08:31:14 PM
Rest in peace is dangerous but that's why you run sunderring growth
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 24, 2012, 01:19:49 AM
Hehe am glad I play both in my selesnya...:D
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wackaman9001 on October 24, 2012, 02:04:16 AM
Also, I run the counterbird so I can populate soft counters if I choose, making your RIP unplayable :)
/hatin'
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 24, 2012, 02:11:31 AM
Quote from: Wackaman9001 on October 24, 2012, 02:04:16 AM
Also, I run the counterbird so I can populate soft counters if I choose, making your RIP unplayable :)
/hatin'

Hehe I bet that aggro selesnya would defeat that combination bfr it would start work properly..;)
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Wackaman9001 on October 24, 2012, 02:25:17 AM
Yeah it's imperfect but it is a work in progress. I'm sure gate crash will help when we have orzhov to add to the mix
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 24, 2012, 02:30:10 AM
True...;) we will see... But It is so fun with RTR just now... So many various decks that u can see during tournaments and so many various builds what work...:D
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: Mactitioner on October 24, 2012, 05:57:51 PM
Most aggro decks do ok, but my junk rites deck stabilizes with Angel of Serenity and from There the game is usually mine because I just go over the top of most aggro decks. This combo works with rites decks and can provide an edge when playing a mirror match... That's just my opinion and my play tests have been working out nicely.
Title: Re: Standard is now broke!
Post by: whitedrake on October 24, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
Quote from: Mactitioner on October 24, 2012, 05:57:51 PM
Most aggro decks do ok, but my junk rites deck stabilizes with Angel of Serenity and from There the game is usually mine because I just go over the top of most aggro decks. This combo works with rites decks and can provide an edge when playing a mirror match... That's just my opinion and my play tests have been working out nicely.

No doubt if u survive until the combo is out and working then u r master of the situation...;) only simply I use that angel different way...:D

It is so wonderful to watch how he is eliminating three tokens each turn...:D