Post them up here.
For me it has to be detention spehere. I mean, it exiles something and any copies...I get that so it's good against tokens...because when do you really have 2 bombs on the same board? Rarely.
The potential is there, but 7.50$? Plus it can't hit other {detention spehere}s.
AND it exiles your stuff too (if you target like that)
Ill take <1$ oblivion ring and keep sphere in the SB.
Sphere is a powered up oblivion ring with a little worse mana cost which triggers multi-colored spells synergy. Also, about the "two bombs" thing, it totally screws populate and can exile many two-of cards for three (is it really uncommon for you to see a deck play the same permanent on the first 3 turns?). It screws combos and stops aggro in a U/W deck. 7 bucks is expensive, and the price will drop, but that is because it has just been released and many people want it with little people trading it. Even though, I can't see the price going lower than 3.50, unless they make like {oblivion ring} and reprint it as hell.
I watched quite a few games SCG cinci and most of the time...like 80%+ was used on 1 target. It's a sideboard card, or a YMMV type of removal.
{Judge's Familiar}
Play tested a set of them in my Delver deck. Just doesn't seem to work how I wanted it to. :(
Quote from: Monrodesign on October 09, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
{Judge's Familiar}
Play tested a set of them in my Delver deck. Just doesn't seem to work how I wanted it to. :(
At best I made him pay 1 extra mana to wipe the board lol
Quote from: Monrodesign on October 09, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
{Judge's Familiar}
Play tested a set of them in my Delver deck. Just doesn't seem to work how I wanted it to. :(
I think the familiar is great, granted I'm playing a completely different deck. He definitely doesn't fit in with delver, but in a slightly more controlling deck he's quite good. The one extra mana can buy you an extra turn before your opponent can cast that instant or sorcery giving you enough time to lock down the board. Plus, there's nothing wrong with a 1 mana flyer, especially if you have a way to pump him up as the game progresses.
He just didn't stall out like I wanted him too lol.
Quote from: Monrodesign on October 09, 2012, 01:20:49 PM
He just didn't stall out like I wanted him too lol.
Well yeah, he himself can't really stall the opponent for more than a turn, but in a deck that's made to lock down your opponent I can't think of many better turn one plays.
Quote from: Testset on October 09, 2012, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: Mentonin on October 09, 2012, 11:09:03 AM
Sphere is a powered up oblivion ring with a little worse mana cost which triggers multi-colored spells synergy. Also, about the "two bombs" thing, it totally screws populate and can exile many two-of cards for three (is it really uncommon for you to see a deck play the same permanent on the first 3 turns?). It screws combos and stops aggro in a U/W deck. 7 bucks is expensive, and the price will drop, but that is because it has just been released and many people want it with little people trading it. Even though, I can't see the price going lower than 3.50, unless they make like {oblivion ring} and reprint it as hell.
Always frustrating. I should have traded my {Baneslayer Angels} before they reprinted them and ruined the value...
Reprints may be frustrating if you have the reprinted cards, but it is a necessary part of the game. If you don't reprint, cards go too high in value, with obviously no benefit for wizards in this as they don't sell separate cards, and it makes legacy/vintage/casual(with random people, not friends) unthinkable to people without either a few years with magic or willing to pay lots of money for a deck. It is also much more frustrating to fight people with the OP old cards when you don't even have a way to get that cards. It is just outright unfair, and wizards would simply lost all their clients, and (oh my god) your cards would lose value either way as wizards would have to either print cards each time more powerful (a bigger difference than the current difference), like yu-gi-oh. But then, who will fight for an expensive card which will be trash when the next set comes?
My bud also informed me that cyclonic rift isn't nearly as good as it could be. Makes me a sadpanda. I had such high hopes for it.
Rift is good though. Getting 7 mana is easy in a control deck and you can make EVERYTHING go to hand at instant speed.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on October 09, 2012, 09:19:14 PM
Rift is good though. Getting 7 mana is easy in a control deck and you can make EVERYTHING go to hand at instant speed.
No. You can entreat for 5 if you're doin it right. And it's not everything since its no land permanents. Classic case of "you can play better cards for 7cmc"
He finished 12th at SCG cinci an told me the card is horrible.
Don't know what you mean by entreat but as for doing better things with 7 mana, let's see:
What better things can you do for 7 mana that are strictly better? Whatever it is, to be strictly better for the same cost, it has to be:
- 1 card
- instant speed
- 7 mana
Can you think of anything better than: end of your turn: all nonland permanents you go to your hand. But not mine! And my mana untaps so I can spend 7 more mana on a wincon now and you can't stop me! Haha.
Just because your friend used rift and got 12 doesn't mean it is a poor card. Maybe it just wasn't used right? Or at the right time? I have personally tested rift and overloading it late game is something that your opponent will have a hard time coming back from.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on October 09, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
Don't know what you mean by entreat but as for doing better things with 7 mana, let's see:
What better things can you do for 7 mana that are strictly better? Whatever it is, to be strictly better for the same cost, it has to be:
- 1 card
- instant speed
- 7 mana
Can you think of anything better than: end of your turn: all nonland permanents you go to your hand. But not mine! And my mana untaps so I can spend 7 more mana on a wincon now and you can't stop me! Haha.
Just because your friend used rift and got 12 doesn't mean it is a poor card. Maybe it just wasn't used right? Or at the right time? I have personally tested rift and overloading it late game is something that your opponent will have a hard time coming back from.
I think 12th at the SGC is quite good, actually, (isn't the number of players very high in SCG)
Lol yeah it's pretty good. 12th. He played against the card all day and he rolled face with a cheap deck.
Rift. It's potential is good, it's just really not that great. It's too slow. Something should be huge impact for 7 mana. I mean, with so many Aggro decks running around with 1-2 drop creatures...you aren't gonna be able to wait till turn 7 to do it. Yes it resets their board and is a better devastation tide, but you could entreat the angels for 5 on with the same amount of mana (theoretically). The card is too slow.
The reason why I use him as an example and value his opinion is because he finished 12th, has experience against people who played it and its non overload ability is terrible.
If you're playing control and waiting till turn 7 to offset an Aggro deck, you're in trouble. And it's not really that great in the mirror either.
You can play better cards for less cmc.
{jace memory adept} vs mirror
What can I play that's better?
{terminus} {entreat the angels} {supreme verdict} {angel of serenityl}
Just to name a few
I like it, the cmc makes it adaptable to board presence. I find myself using it on a single target blocker/nasty buffed attacker/taking away an ultimate from a PW more than using it as a board sweep. At worst it's an expensive {unsummon} that can hit PW's.
I personally feel {vraska} is over rated.
I think {Jace, Architect of Thought} is overrated. I just don't see it. Please convince me
Quote from: AgrusKos on October 09, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
I think {Jace, Architect of Thought} is overrated. I just don't see it. Please convince me
Don't get me wrong. I love this jace, even made a non aggro deck because I pulled two in a sealed tourney( one in pool, other in prize packs). But I also think the card is over hyped.
Quote from: CajunJynx on October 09, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on October 09, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
I think {Jace, Architect of Thought} is overrated. I just don't see it. Please convince me
Don't get me wrong. I love this jace, even made a non aggro deck because I pulled two in a sealed tourney( one in pool, other in prize packs). But I also think the card is over hyped.
He's really good.
He's playable at 4 cmc. His most used ability is his -2 which lets you reveal 3 cards and your opponent puts them in 2 piles...pick the best pile. He's the type of PW that u just kill him with his -2.
Watch some SCG games where people played with him...I don't think he's worth 50$, but he's still really good.
I will admit that a well played -2 from him one me the RtR release sealed I went too.
Quote from: Willthomjr on October 09, 2012, 10:54:37 PM
What can I play that's better?
{terminus} {entreat the angels} {supreme verdict} {angel of serenityl}
Just to name a few
None of those are instant speed unless you set up the draw on the other player's turn some how.
I agree that {Jace, Arcitect of Thought} is overrated. So he can {Fact or Fiction}. Yeah it's good. But $50? No way. I traded mine for a {thragtusk} and a {cavern of souls}, and I'm perfectly happy. I'll get much more use out of those two.
Quote from: Falcon182 on October 10, 2012, 12:12:18 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on October 09, 2012, 10:54:37 PM
What can I play that's better?
{terminus} {entreat the angels} {supreme verdict} {angel of serenityl}
Just to name a few
None of those are instant speed unless you set up the draw on the other player's turn some how.
True. But my point was you can play better things for 7 cmc. And with the popularity of of miracle decks, it happens often enough on they're turn.
Entreat the angels is a win con, cyclonic rift isn't.
Quote from: bravado883 on October 10, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
I will point out that if one player miracles entreat for 7 and the other player has 7 to overload rift...rift wins.
No. You don't play that game. You rift for 7 and I {syncopate} for 1.
See why you don't do that?
Quote from: CajunJynx on October 09, 2012, 11:19:53 PM
I personally feel {vraska} is over rated.
This but I still love her flavor.
I was stoked when I pulled {vraska, the unseen}. Then I saw it went from $40 to $25 and cried a little.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 10, 2012, 01:37:17 PM
I was stoked when I pulled {vraska, the unseen}. Then I saw it went from $40 to $25 and cried a little.
Love the idea. Why can't they make all PW cost under 4 or under? Then people would be more apt to play them
We don't talk about {Tibalt the fruit cake}
Quote from: AgrusKos on October 09, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
I think {Jace, Architect of Thought} is overrated. I just don't see it. Please convince me
I'm not sure how he's insane in standard, but Modern an Legacy he's brutal. With {Doubling Season} and {Wheel of Sun and Moon} out, cast him, pop his ulti, search for himself (because he will be back in your deck by the time you search) and any nonland card in all your opponents' decks. Rinse and repeat for the win.
Miss plays happen all the time and that's a different topic along with counter fear, etc. I didn't make the original point to argue about 1 card vs another. I'm saying there is bigger impact cards you can play for 7 mana. I'm not going to repeat myself. If you have a valid point, or something new, please contribute.
Quote from: bravado883 on October 10, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
I will point out that if one player miracles entreat for 7 and the other player has 7 to overload rift...rift wins.
But even so, are we really going to do the "oh yah well what if I had this card" game?
I'm pretty sure you started this "game"
Well it comes down to this: I made a deck with cyclonic rift and it has been extremely useul. If you want me to prove that it is good my username on cockatrice is Coffee Vampire.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on October 10, 2012, 02:25:01 PM
Well it comes down to this: I made a deck with cyclonic rift and it has been extremely useul. If you want me to prove that it is good my username on cockatrice is Coffee Vampire.
I never said the card isn't useful, I said it had potential. It plays really slow and I really wish it would work like I want because I was let down after seeing it in action.
And I don't play cockatrice anymore. Too many people rage quit, people who don't know how to play, cheat, etc. I don't have time for that crap no offense 😊
Quote from: Willthomjr on October 10, 2012, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 10, 2012, 01:37:17 PM
I was stoked when I pulled {vraska, the unseen}. Then I saw it went from $40 to $25 and cried a little.
Love the idea. Why can't they make all PW cost under 4 or under? Then people would be more apt to play them
We don't talk about {Tibalt the fruit cake}
Personally, it's not the card for me. I was excited because I knew there'd be someone on eBay willing to pay $40 for it. I ended up selling it for $23 on there, so $19 profit off a $4 booster pack wasn't too bad.
Profit 😃
Quote from: Willthomjr on October 10, 2012, 02:30:46 PM
And I don't play cockatrice anymore. Too many people rage quit, people who don't know how to play, cheat, etc. I don't have time for that crap no offense 😊
None taken dude...people on cockatrice can be so rude. And not to mention the people who take forever and you don't know if they just decided to go out to eat! I just try to be polite and hopefuly people return the favor.
Me- ill tap my birds of paradise for red.
Derp- ill tragic slip it.
Me- that's fine. Ill play {Thragtusk}
Derp- dude you can't play that you have 4 mana.
Me- no, u slipped my bird..you can't respond to mana abilities.
Derp- OMfg dude.
"Raaaaagggeee"
Haha nice one. Here is a common one for me:
Them: I cast rancor on lotleth troll.
Me: in response, I tragic slip your lotleth troll.
Them: ok I regenerate troll.
Me: no.
Them: oh then rancor goes back to my hand.
Me: NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on October 10, 2012, 09:03:36 PM
Haha nice one. Here is a common one for me:
Them: I cast rancor on lotleth troll.
Me: in response, I tragic slip your lotleth troll.
Them: ok I regenerate troll.
Me: no.
Them: oh then rancor goes back to my hand.
Me: NO!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG ...... This for sure 😩
Me: I'll tap my {Arbor Elf} to untap my {Overgrown Tomb}.
Them: YOU CAN'T DO THAT!
Me: ...