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Title: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
If a {Tidehollow Strix} blocks something like {Emarakuk, the Aeons Torn} or {Progentius}, does it still kill them
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
If a {Tidehollow Strix} blocks something like {Emarakuk, the Aeons Torn} or {Progentius}, does it still kill them

I'm usually wrong but, {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} yes, and he can't block {Progenitus} because it has protection from everything
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:06:32 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
If a {Tidehollow Strix} blocks something like {Emarakuk, the Aeons Torn} or {Progentius}, does it still kill them

I'm usually wrong but, {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} yes, and he can't block {Progenitus} because it has protection from everything
Cant block either. Just kind of a what if question
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Why can't you block Emrakul? It says protection from colored spells, not creatures.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Why can't you block Emrakul? It says protection from colored spells, not creatures.
Strix is colored
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Why can't you block Emrakul? It says protection from colored spells, not creatures.
Strix is colored
And a spell
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Why can't you block Emrakul? It says protection from colored spells, not creatures.
Strix is colored

But once he's on the battlefield he's no longer a spell.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Why can't you block Emrakul? It says protection from colored spells, not creatures.
Strix is colored

But once he's on the battlefield he's no longer a spell.
He still is. Everything but lands are spells. Even on the battlefield
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
Anyways, hypothetically yes. Any amount of damage by a creature with deathtouch is enough to kill the creature it damages.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: BlackJester on August 11, 2012, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: tsul25 on August 11, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Why can't you block Emrakul? It says protection from colored spells, not creatures.
Strix is colored

But once he's on the battlefield he's no longer a spell.
This.
Strix can kill Emmy.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:11:25 PM
Yes!

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Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: BlackJester on August 11, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
Things are only spells on the stack.

Emmy also can't be targeted by a {Pacifism}.

{Oblivion Ring} works though.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: AgrusKos on August 11, 2012, 10:18:52 PM
Oh. My bad.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Mentonin on August 11, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
You can pacifism on a emrakul if you put it on the BF without casting it, right?
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Greg54js on August 11, 2012, 11:59:29 PM
Yes because it wouldn't target.. At least that's my thought
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: BlackJester on August 12, 2012, 12:01:17 AM
Correctamundo.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: Mentonin on August 11, 2012, 11:57:14 PM
You can pacifism on a emrakul if you put it on the BF without casting it, right?

No you can't. It is a colored spell, and would fall off, it has nothing to do with targeting. This kind of situation would would like {pacifism} on {Geist of saint traft} but not Emmy
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: BlackJester on August 12, 2012, 12:12:37 AM
If you were to cast {Sun Titan} and have it return {Pacifism} to the battlefield, you can have it enchant Emmy. It is not a spell at that point it is a permanent.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 12:59:39 AM
I was told by multiple people on cockatrice that circumventing with sun Titan wouldn't work with something that has protection.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 01:00:33 AM
Any specific rulings?
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: scarsabrex on August 12, 2012, 01:04:13 AM
emmy has protection from spells. not permanents.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 01:10:27 AM
Ok, so {knight of infamy} Has protection from white...is that different with this situation substituting him for emrakul and circumventing pacifism?
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Falcon182 on August 12, 2012, 01:33:57 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 01:00:33 AM
Any specific rulings?

It's in Emmy's rulings here in the app too.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Gorzo on August 12, 2012, 05:16:39 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 01:10:27 AM
Ok, so {knight of infamy} Has protection from white...is that different with this situation substituting him for emrakul and circumventing pacifism?

Yes.  Protection from white is different from protection from white SPELLS.
Title: Re: Deathtouch
Post by: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
Quote from: Gorzo on August 12, 2012, 05:16:39 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on August 12, 2012, 01:10:27 AM
Ok, so {knight of infamy} Has protection from white...is that different with this situation substituting him for emrakul and circumventing pacifism?

Yes.  Protection from white is different from protection from white SPELLS.

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