Modern Section.

This community is suffering from "The Christopher Effect".

New users joined, it got popular, people invested their time into it. It hit a "golden age".

Then two things happened.

Conflict between users, resulting in leaving, bans, decreased quality of conversations and people investing less time into the app.

People "grew up", got jobs, went to college, quit magic, forgot about the app.

Therefore most of the problem lies in the deterioration of the community IMO. Not the competitive vs casual aspect of the modern section.

However I'm for a read before posting section in each deck category that outlines what should be there. We could also tag decks, help needed, top tier, for fun.

Makes sense. Although being a 24 year old out of college with a daughter and a baby on the way I still find time for my favorite game, so not sure when the "growing up" aspect is gonna sink in. lol

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on April 14, 2016, 06:39:36 PM

This community is suffering from "The Christopher Effect".

New users joined, it got popular, people invested their time into it. It hit a "golden age".

Then two things happened.

Conflict between users, resulting in leaving, bans, decreased quality of conversations and people investing less time into the app.

People "grew up", got jobs, went to college, quit magic, forgot about the app.

Therefore most of the problem lies in the deterioration of the community IMO. Not the competitive vs casual aspect of the modern section.

However I'm for a read before posting section in each deck category that outlines what should be there. We could also tag decks, help needed, top tier, for fun.

Makes sense. Although being a 24 year old out of college with a daughter and a baby on the way I still find time for my favorite game, so not sure when the "growing up" aspect is gonna sink in. lol

NOOO, don't grow up, it's a trap! (Said the recently-turned-34-year-old with 4 kids.)

However, to chime in on this discussion, as I expressed before in my book the difference between casual and the competitive formats lies in what you want with your deck.
Like: recently this guy was posting his decks in the Legacy section. When asked if he wanted to play these in competition, he answered: "Nah, these are just for tabletop" (paraphrasing).
So, those decks should go in casual in my book. However, if you've got a crazy idea you want to try out in a format (Selesnyeldrazi was one of my thoughts for modern), by all means that should go in the competitive sections.

I agree with you Kaylesh. As long as it's plausible, has synergy, and can compete then by all means put it in the modern, legacy, standard thread.

On another note, I'll never grow up! Growing up is for old folk!

The problem is if the deck hadn't won a pro tour with deck abc then it is not considered competitive.

The sheepishness if this forum is crazy how about some consideration on newer decks on how to tweak that deck to make slightly more competitive. Rather than give it the Scarlett letter and send it on its way.

Some ppl need to realize not everyone knows every card in the magic playbook and all they know is what they  have in cardboard sitting in front of them.

Another thing is budget decks. I have a budget mono-black list. And while it might not be the most competative, it is decent considering i am trying to keep the price low.

I believe my 3rd or 4th post was over budget decks still being competitive.

I believe my 3rd or 4th post was over budget decks still being competitive.

So you did.

The app seems to be .doing just fine. and with such a small community that adds nothing to new persons posts, we aren't exactly reeling them in.

I'd like you to take your depression away from this forum, will you? Or else I will ban you, I do not like negative people here, all right?

So when I first got this app if you posted a list in this section you got two things; honesty, and help. For instance if a deck was so far fetched from competitive formats it would be told that it is a casual deck and be moved to the casual section; honesty. Now if it was almost competitive people would contribute by saying they should replace this with this and etc. where has this gone? That help is no longer there, that honesty is no longer there. I understand that just because a deck has cards that aren't banned in modern it is technically a modern deck but it's meant for casual play, thus the casual section. All in all, I miss looking on the modern feed and seeing deep and in depth conversations as to why card a is better than card b and etc. I miss the helpful players actually contributing to decks that could use a few wise words. Finally, I miss it being flooded with decks that actually have a chance at making it to top 8 in fnm at least. I don't mean to upset anyone by this post, just miss what this section was. I could get on here every hour and Thered be a new post with vibrant conversations and now I could go three days and no one will have commented on anything. Rant over. Good day.

Maybe you should start iMtG Competitiveness Community Police Force. Each time you find a non-competitive deck in a competitive section, you mark it with a comment such as [NON-COMPETITIVE] and deal negative karma. It lets you steam off a little bit while providing valuable service for the community of competitive people, without overly annoying the ...  others.

This community is suffering from "The Christopher Effect".

New users joined, it got popular, people invested their time into it. It hit a "golden age".

Then two things happened.

Conflict between users, resulting in leaving, bans, decreased quality of conversations and people investing less time into the app.

People "grew up", got jobs, went to college, quit magic, forgot about the app.

Therefore most of the problem lies in the deterioration of the community IMO. Not the competitive vs casual aspect of the modern section.

Your analysis is false. Community here was built around a product, the best toolbox app for iOS. Not the other way round (the other way round failed miserably, or show me the app by Gorzo and the rest of the mob). People primarily leave when better products are made available. People leave when Try Play stops working, people leave when engine is not updated for 2 years. Therefore problem is now being resolved and we can expect growth of the community.

However I'm for a read before posting section in each deck category that outlines what should be there. We could also tag decks, help needed, top tier, for fun.

On my TODO.

I think the point is that people were posting non-mainstream decks and the instant  response was casual

No snap- casual
No goyf- casual
No lotv- casual
Birthing pod - sad face

I think the point is that people were posting non-mainstream decks and the instant  response was casual

No snap- casual
No goyf- casual
No lotv- casual
Birthing pod - sad face

No, the point is decks are being posted that resemble the one I just bumped in the modern section. It doesn't matter if there are no snaps, goyfs, lotv, those can be worked around budget wise.

If you're building a deck that needs tarmogoyf but you use krisan tusker because you don't want to spend the money, (exaggeration but you get my point, if the only reason for a card is it's cheaper than the (arguably) better card) that is when it's casual. If you do your best to make it competitive, even if it's dirt cheap, it's fine.

See this is what I meant earlier. I don't want to spend the money on tarmogoyf, but if everything else is cheep yet competative but I am using tusker is it chompetative or casual. Because you just said it is not competative and that it is because the deck is competative for its low pricepoint.

Most budget decks will not be teir 1 competative. If they were the price of its parts would rise till it is no longer budget. That said a deck that drops tarmogoyf for something else can be budget and still be teir 2 competative.

My whole issue with this whole topic is how to measure the competativeness of a deck. What teir deck is casual? Are competative decks only the tier 1 decks?
What about decks which are designed to specficly prey on the local meta?

If you personally don't have goyfs but it should be in the list (i.e. Your playing tar fire) have goyfs in the list then say in the comments that you personally don't have goyfs and are working to get them you're fine.

Competitive means the best it can be imo. Budget decks will generally lose to the list that spent the money on goyfs instead of using krosan tusker.

Tusker is not even close to comparable to Goyf. Moldgraf Scavenger is a more favorable comparison there.

However, budget decks can be competitive too, the thing is what you want to do with it. If you want to play modern FNM, or even go to a GP, your deck needs competitive advise. If you can't shell the money into 4 goyfs that would be ideal for your list, yet you try your best to make a good deck, it doesn't make it casual.

If your intention is tabletop play, that what makes it casual.

Sometimes an idea isn't viable for a format. Say trying to ramp into Emmy in modern.
Then it is a good thing to give suggestions to improve after you learn what the idea is.

Your analysis is false. The community here was built around a product, the best toolbox app for iOS. Not the other way round (the other way round failed miserably, or show me the app by Gorzo and the rest of the mob). People primarily leave when better products are made available. People leave when Try Play stops working, people leave when engine is not updated for 2 years. Therefore problem is now being resolved and we can expect growth of the community.

My analysis is not false. There's more than a few people that have quit magic and therefore the app, as well as others who have gotten too busy. You've simply stated another contributing factor.

I'd like to specifically address this,

"The community here was built around a product, the best toolbox app for iOS. Not the other way round (the other way round failed miserably, or show me the app by Gorzo and the rest of the mob)."

When did I say anything to the contrary of the community being built around the product? Just because it's built around the product does not mean that the product is the only thing keeping it together.

What on earth does any of this have to do with Gorzo? He just fits into my analysis of people getting banned.