Modern Section.

So when I first got this app if you posted a list in this section you got two things; honesty, and help. For instance if a deck was so far fetched from competitive formats it would be told that it is a casual deck and be moved to the casual section; honesty. Now if it was almost competitive people would contribute by saying they should replace this with this and etc. where has this gone? That help is no longer there, that honesty is no longer there. I understand that just because a deck has cards that aren't banned in modern it is technically a modern deck but it's meant for casual play, thus the casual section. All in all, I miss looking on the modern feed and seeing deep and in depth conversations as to why card a is better than card b and etc. I miss the helpful players actually contributing to decks that could use a few wise words. Finally, I miss it being flooded with decks that actually have a chance at making it to top 8 in fnm at least. I don't mean to upset anyone by this post, just miss what this section was. I could get on here every hour and Thered be a new post with vibrant conversations and now I could go three days and no one will have commented on anything. Rant over. Good day.

This is true, in addition when you attempt to tell a new user that their deck would be better suited for another section(casual) they get offended and don't come back. When in reality we aren't trying to be mean or rude, we are trying to help them do better in FNM's, comps, etc., by steering them to another format or steering them to a deck stronger in the format than the one they are attempting to use.

This is true, in addition when you attempt to tell a new user that their deck would be better suited for another section(casual) they get offended and don't come back. When in reality we aren't trying to be mean or rude, we are trying to help them do better in FNM's, comps, etc., by steering them to another format or steering them to a deck stronger in the format than the one they are attempting to use.

Yes.... You are correct and I know the rebuttals is they are on a budget but they are so far fetched from being competitive if they dont invest in at least some basic cards that it gets frustrating helping others

As I have said time and time again, either make it a rule for posting that casual decks can't be there, or suck it up and move on as it will never change in it's current state.

Quote from: Codester1991 on April 13, 2016, 11:35:48 PM

This is true, in addition when you attempt to tell a new user that their deck would be better suited for another section(casual) they get offended and don't come back. When in reality we aren't trying to be mean or rude, we are trying to help them do better in FNM's, comps, etc., by steering them to another format or steering them to a deck stronger in the format than the one they are attempting to use.

Yes.... You are correct and I know the rebuttals is they are on a budget but they are so far fetched from being competitive if they dont invest in at least some basic cards that it gets frustrating helping others

Yep. People who are getting into this game need to understand that it isn't a game where you can go win with a 5 dollar deck at a modern FNM. You need to invest in good cards to win events. It doesn't need to be the most expensive cards with tarmogoyf's but you can't be afraid to drop 200-400 dollars on a deck at least. Even at that, there are mono green infect lists, mono green aggro lists that come in under 80 dollars that are competitive enough for fnm and would be gladly welcomed in the modern forums because it shows that you are attempting to be Keyword: Competitive.

"Decks (Magic The Gathering)

These boards are pretty self-explanatory.  Standard decks go under standard, modern decks under modern, etc.  If you don't know what the difference between the deck types is, there is a stickied post titled "(Format) Deck Construction" in each board that will tell you what sets are allowed, if there is a ban list, what is on the potential ban list, and so on.  Casual is the exception.  If you build a fun deck, but don't think it is competitive or just plan on having a little fun, post it under casual. "





Taken directly from the welcome forum. Key sentences in this section "Casual is the exception. If you build a fun deck, BUT DONT THINK IT IS COMPETITIVE or just plan on having a little fun, post it under casual."

If I am gonna post in Modern I go to the modern section, not the welcome section. People have short attention spans. If it isn't stickied in the Modern section right in front of people's faces, it will not be read and/remembered. Just a fact of human nature.

Personally though, if something that petty bothers me, I tend to just ignore it.

Honestly I think this falls back to the discussion a few months back of the difference between casual and competative. We have people on here who like to bash any deck posted in modern or legacy that is not pro/tournament level.

Who gets to claim one deck is not competative or not. I once built a deck which i posted in when I was rather new here. I was told it wasn't competative, but it was good enough to go 4-0 at my lgs. So in my eyes it was competative.

See the key here is,in my opinion and as codestar already said, with the phrasing of The welcome form,
"if you built a fun deck but don't think it is competative..."

I thought my deck was competative but other people at the time didn't. So what was it, competative or casual?
Another thingis what is competative now could be different from a few weeks ago, and could be different a few weeks in the future. Should we move decks back and fourth between forums as the meta changes? And how do we  accurately  Measure a decks  compeativeness?


Tl:dr, we put to much focus on if decks are in the right forum based on "competitiveness"

Honestly I think this falls back to the discussion a few months back of the difference between casual and competative. We have people on here who like to bash any deck posted in modern or legacy that is not pro/tournament level.

Who gets to claim one deck is not competative or not. I once built a deck which i posted in when I was rather new here. I was told it wasn't competative, but it was good enough to go 4-0 at my lgs. So in my eyes it was competative.

See the key here is,in my opinion and as codestar already said, with the phrasing of The welcome form,
"if you built a fun deck but don't think it is competative..."

I thought my deck was competative but other people at the time didn't. So what was it, competative or casual?
Another thingis what is competative now could be different from a few weeks ago, and could be different a few weeks in the future. Should we move decks back and fourth between forums as the meta changes? And how do we  accurately  Measure a decks  compeativeness?


Tl:dr, we put to much focus on if decks are in the right forum based on "competitiveness"

I had this same thing happen to me! So I agree wholeheartedly!

Decks with play sets of cards that are somewhat decent and could win an fnm then by all means okay. But if you open a post and it looks like a commander deck in the modern section because they have one of each card then it should be in casual. Right now the forums are flooded with decks that have absolutely no reason why they shouldn't just be in casual. And if you tell me that one of these singleton commander style modern decks got 4-0 at your lgs on a modern event I'm either calling bull-.poo. or you need to start attending a more competitive scene.

Another thing, this app is made to draw in competitive players as well as new players or inexperienced but when you have the decks flooding the forums the way they are then the experienced players look and see that this may not be the place they want to be. As I've said before, they want to discuss in depth as why card A is better than card B in a deck such as jund or affinity. But when those players aren't around to discuss that the newer members just flood the list and there is no discussion. Then when help or discussion is offered they bite back with "this is the way I like it and it's staying that way" who wants to help someone who doesn't want to be helped? Maybe that's why this app has lost the flare that it used to have. Where a deck would have 6 pages of discussion where as now it's lucky to even have a comment.

If you want a thread to discuss the individual cards in the staple modern decks wouldn't that be more at home in the discussion section? Just because decks you deem worthy aren't getting the feedback you think it deserves doesn't mean you should cut the "lesser" decks in favor of the "better" decks.

Decks with play sets of cards that are somewhat decent and could win an fnm then by all means okay. But if you open a post and it looks like a commander deck in the modern section because they have one of each card then it should be in casual. Right now the forums are flooded with decks that have absolutely no reason why they shouldn't just be in casual. And if you tell me that one of these singleton commander style modern decks got 4-0 at your lgs on a modern event I'm either calling bull-.poo. or you need to start attending a more competitive scene.

This example is what I am talking about. Sure as an experienced player I know that a singleton deck will not be competative. But a rather new player might not if he was only just introduced to the game.

And I have never had a new player on the forum snap at me for making sugestions. But I have seen other people. What it seems to me is how you express your feedback. "This deck is crap, the singles need to be cut down to make more full playests" is alot different then " I would suggest cutting some of your one-off cards to add more of a single card. This will improve consistency."
It is all about how you word and phrase it. 

We should have a suggestion on the main mtg forum for "Modern Collaboration" "Edh Collaboration" where it's all tips and tricks, not decm critiques

That might not be a bad idea.

This community is suffering from "The Christopher Effect".

New users joined, it got popular, people invested their time into it. It hit a "golden age".

Then two things happened.

Conflict between users, resulting in leaving, bans, decreased quality of conversations and people investing less time into the app.

People "grew up", got jobs, went to college, quit magic, forgot about the app.

Therefore most of the problem lies in the deterioration of the community IMO. Not the competitive vs casual aspect of the modern section.

However I'm for a read before posting section in each deck category that outlines what should be there. We could also tag decks, help needed, top tier, for fun.