Next banning.

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on February 07, 2016, 08:31:01 PM

Crumbling dust can easily remove critical lands along with ghost quarter aka modern wasteland
Land hate is now officially a standard necessity in modern.
Surgical extraction is huge
T1 spell snare works well, abrupt decay, thoughtseize is better than inquisition vs the deck
Sweepers like languish, drown in sorrow/Eldrazi exile one/ anger of the gods,

Wrath of God spells, verdict, exile spells, polymorphist jests!

Don't they say the format is broken when every deck has to run sideboard cards to combat one genre of deck??

But isn't surgical and thoughtseize pretty standard for a sb in general?

I had a few beers when I posted. I meant having to run sideboard cards in the main just to combat one deck.

I had a few beers when I posted. I meant having to run sideboard cards in the main just to combat one deck.

A) No one said they had to main board them.
B) super fast agro decks did well when the field was basically agro or bust. Such surprise. Many magics. Wow.

No, nothing needs to be banned.

I had a few beers when I posted. I meant having to run sideboard cards in the main just to combat one deck.

The Eldrazi decks did this spellskite to beat burn and infect in game one... Sooooo....

Quote from: Falcon182 on February 07, 2016, 10:45:32 PM

I had a few beers when I posted. I meant having to run sideboard cards in the main just to combat one deck.

The Eldrazi decks did this spellskite to beat burn and infect in game one... Sooooo....

Tron does it with Pyroclasm/Kozileks return. It's not a new concept to add sideboard staples to the main.

I don't know watching LSV drop an eye of ugin into 2 eldrazi mimics t1 then thought knot seer t2 and swing for 12 was pretty dumb.

I don't know watching LSV drop an eye of ugin into 2 eldrazi mimics t1 then thought knot seer t2 and swing for 12 was pretty dumb.

He swung for 8, then the thought not seer was killed off.

Quote from: Codester1991 on February 08, 2016, 10:20:24 AM

I don't know watching LSV drop an eye of ugin into 2 eldrazi mimics t1 then thought knot seer t2 and swing for 12 was pretty dumb.

He swung for 8, then the thought not seer was killed off.

So less damage than T1 Swift, T2 Bolt, Bolt?
Or T1 Guide, T2 Swift, Bolt?

Sure, he got to exile a card. But let's not pretend it's insane.

Quote from: Spencer Addington on February 08, 2016, 10:50:41 AM

Quote from: Codester1991 on February 08, 2016, 10:20:24 AM

I don't know watching LSV drop an eye of ugin into 2 eldrazi mimics t1 then thought knot seer t2 and swing for 12 was pretty dumb.

He swung for 8, then the thought not seer was killed off.

So less damage than T1 Swift, T2 Bolt, Bolt?
Or T1 Guide, T2 Swift, Bolt?

Sure, he got to exile a card. But let's not pretend it's insane.

Bolts are gone. He can keep swinging.

Guide ramps you.

I'm not saying ban it yet but it's rough.

Problem is they made the colorless creatures as powerful as the colored creatures with no downfall. I personally think only wastes should produce <> mana. What land can you drop that comes into play untapped that gives you two colored mana?

5$ says it'll be living end

From different sites/forums I've been perusing, the consensus is that  Chalice of the Void will be getting banned

Quote from: griffin131 on February 08, 2016, 11:18:18 AM

Quote from: Spencer Addington on February 08, 2016, 10:50:41 AM

Quote from: Codester1991 on February 08, 2016, 10:20:24 AM

I don't know watching LSV drop an eye of ugin into 2 eldrazi mimics t1 then thought knot seer t2 and swing for 12 was pretty dumb.

He swung for 8, then the thought not seer was killed off.

So less damage than T1 Swift, T2 Bolt, Bolt?
Or T1 Guide, T2 Swift, Bolt?

Sure, he got to exile a card. But let's not pretend it's insane.

Bolts are gone. He can keep swinging.

Not for more than 8, unless he invests more into the board.

Guide ramps you.

Based on probability, you get information on your opponents next draw more often than it ramps.

I'm not saying ban it yet but it's rough.

Problem is they made the colorless creatures as powerful as the colored creatures with no downfall. I personally think only wastes should produce <> mana. What land can you drop that comes into play untapped that gives you two colored mana?

That's like saying "They made creatures as powerful as creatures with no downfall!"

They have different casting cost requirements.
And the Sol lands, while strong, are restricted to a specific creature type and colorless at that. So Painters Servant kills them.

It's a strong agro deck that no one prepared for. Everyone had sideboards for different agro decks.

Quote from: Rass on February 08, 2016, 12:24:38 PM

Quote from: griffin131 on February 08, 2016, 11:18:18 AM

Quote from: Spencer Addington on February 08, 2016, 10:50:41 AM

Quote from: Codester1991 on February 08, 2016, 10:20:24 AM

I don't know watching LSV drop an eye of ugin into 2 eldrazi mimics t1 then thought knot seer t2 and swing for 12 was pretty dumb.

He swung for 8, then the thought not seer was killed off.

So less damage than T1 Swift, T2 Bolt, Bolt?
Or T1 Guide, T2 Swift, Bolt?

Sure, he got to exile a card. But let's not pretend it's insane.

Bolts are gone. He can keep swinging.

Not for more than 8, unless he invests more into the board.

Using your analogy the rdw is swinging for 4 that's a good trade off. 8>4. Humm

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Guide ramps you.

Based on probability, you get information on your opponents next draw more often than it ramps.

Yes but that's a negative what's theirs. I get to make you exile a card. Again which side do you want to be on?

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I'm not saying ban it yet but it's rough.

Problem is they made the colorless creatures as powerful as the colored creatures with no downfall. I personally think only wastes should produce <> mana. What land can you drop that comes into play untapped that gives you two colored mana?

That's like saying "They made creatures as powerful as creatures with no downfall!"

They have different casting cost requirements.
And the Sol lands, while strong, are restricted to a specific creature type and colorless at that. So Painters Servant kills them.

It's a strong agro deck that no one prepared for. Everyone had sideboards for different agro decks.

So yes you need to have a silver bullet or you lose. Let them make a land that adds 2 red mana for red spells or goblins. See how people will cry. Do the same for elves, merfolk, or any other tribe.

Casting more spells is not the same as committing to the board. And I wasn't aware getting information was a negative.

And no, I never said "Silver bullet or lose." because it's not true overall.

Even if it was, how many people just rely on 1-2 life gain cards against burn?  Or Leylines?  "Silver bullet or lose."

Seriously, BW tokens would do well against Eldrazi. But no one brought it to the pro tour.

All the people talking about land destruction and similar things. What they don't realize is that the damage has already been done before you can react and once you react you give them more time. Eye of Ugin essentially generates 6+ potential mana on one turn. By that point the damage has been done.