U.S. Democratic debate

I'm sorry that the world is as it is and socialism does not work in reality. For this reason I run my family with http://ultimatelaw.org which 'accidentally' was designed to stop socialism* and the likes. Freedom runs strong in my family.

For an extreme example. Look up the Pullman for a bad free market that really didn't work well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman which one?

* has plenty of stopping power: helped me to stop a sort-of pub brawl from happening on a private party once, as I keep a business-card sized copy on me at all times

I'm sorry that the world is as it is and socialism does not work in reality. For this reason I run my family with http://ultimatelaw.org which 'accidentally' was designed to stop socialism* and the likes. Freedom runs strong in my family.

Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 09:03:43 AM

For an extreme example. Look up the Pullman for a bad free market that really didn't work well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman which one?

* has plenty of stopping power: helped me to stop a sort-of pub brawl from happening on a private party once, as I keep a business-card sized copy on me at all times

I get back to Pullman later on or start a new topic. but let's just go one topic at a time. (I'm sorry for adding two) so we don't get confused.


It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view? 

Science is ruthless. If your theory fails to predict the future once, your theory is discarded immediately. This is why we know. Socialism is the economic model of Socialism the political system. The political system is based on false scientific theory and is a big fat lie from the start.

Promising what can not be delivered, is a lie.

It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?

Free market view, because socialism is enforced charity, not free. Free market produces charity by creating lots of people who have too much to consume themselves.

Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 11:32:27 AM

It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?

Free market view, because socialism is enforced charity, not free. Free market produces charity by creating lots of people who have too much to consume themselves.

And great it would be if those who had too much would share with those who had too little. However, most will turn what they don't need towards either earning more for themselves, or towards showing off their wealth.

And great it would be if those who had too much would share with those who had too little. However, most will turn what they don't need towards either earning more for themselves, or towards showing off their wealth.

Yes, this is precisely why Free market, the economical system sometimes called Capitalism, is harnessing this power of greed to force Capitalists such as Donald Trump to create jobs and in the process well being of people. It is one of the many reasons why Freedom turns out to be a better thing than Socialism which has no answer to greed at all!

Science is ruthless. If your theory fails to predict the future once, your theory is discarded immediately.

This is not true. How many times have scientist failed and keep doing a similar hypothesis with one different variable?

Quote from: Test on December 22, 2015, 01:54:33 AM

Science is ruthless. If your theory fails to predict the future once, your theory is discarded immediately.

This is not true. How many times have scientist failed and keep doing a similar hypothesis with one different variable?

It is true for a hypothesis, though. Then again, that's the whole idea behind an hypothesis.
If a theory/model is incorrect, it is more often then not adapted, rather than abandoned.
Newton's laws are still applied, even if they don't hold in certain situations.

Yes. I got cut off. They don't just scrap the plan. That's what my point was. And they will try the same test again just to make sure they didn't somehow mess up on the test and get a different result.

Quote from: Rass on December 21, 2015, 11:32:27 AM

It's good that you run your family on the ultimate law. But if you had to say is that more of a socialism view or a free market view?

Free market view, because socialism is enforced charity, not free. Free market produces charity by creating lots of people who have too much to consume themselves.

That is very few and far between. Most people who do that take those charities and use them as tax write offs. Again more for self purposes.

Quote from: Kaylesh on December 22, 2015, 05:23:04 AM

And great it would be if those who had too much would share with those who had too little. However, most will turn what they don't need towards either earning more for themselves, or towards showing off their wealth.

Yes, this is precisely why Free market, the economical system sometimes called Capitalism, is harnessing this power of greed to force Capitalists such as Donald Trump to create jobs and in the process well being of people. It is one of the many reasons why Freedom turns out to be a better thing than Socialism which has no answer to greed at all!

Yes it forces them to create jobs. This "job creator" title is the biggest set of bullshit I ever heard. They want to make more money. If they had it their way you would get paid the least as possible. .poo. they would bring back slavery. There would be no rules or regulations if trump had his way.

And if you believe your right you win I give up. Arguing over the Internet is quite silly and I fell for it. If your ever in the us and around Chicagoland let me know it can be better to speak then to write too many things get confused (or mistyped by me)

 You win

Regarding the average income theory.
That one holds for as long as jobs are available in that sector. In the current economic situation, where unemployment is high, average salaries offer will drop, where in a situation where unemployment is close to 0, salary wars might cause prices of products to soar.
It's pretty dependent on the calculations of the employer. That's why I wouldn't call "creating jobs" a form of charity tbh.

Most jobs underpay currently for the cost of living

So there's that factor too, working hard at a job that takes all your time and it doesn't pay enough to get by, it just sends people without any initial support on a downward spiral if they get pegged with an average life situation (car problems, pet emergency, family emergency etc)