U.S. Democratic debate

Anyone else watching? What do y'all think?

I wonder if we will ever have a best canidate to vote for, not a least worse one. I can't really stand anyone (democrat or republican) this round.

It show cased mostly unknowns, one corporate owned liar, a very new politician, and one winner. Sadly the tzar here doesn't understand Bernies ideology very well so I can't comment further. But he's the best atm.

It show cased mostly unknowns, one corporate owned liar, a very new politician, and one winner. Sadly the tzar here doesn't understand Bernies ideology very well so I can't comment further. But he's the best atm.

I call a lie on your claim, please treat this as your ban warning.

I understand Bernie's ideology better than anyone else here, as I have been born (against my will, may I add) in country where Bernie's economic ideas were all implemented. I was raised in a vulnerable family which was supposed to be helped most by the system Bernie advocates, and it failed for my family and for everyone else who was living in Socialism.

I have been studying Socialism, the economic ideology which Bernie openly stands for, since I attended primary school, which was well before 1989.

I now live in the UK and I do not want to see world falling for lies Bernie and the likes of him spread. What Socialists claim fails in reality. I have written about it in the past, and will ban and delete accounts and all posts of any morons who openly insult me in this section of the forum with claims similar to "the tzar here doesn't understand Bernies ideology very well".

I think it is simple enough definition of what I do not want to be done to me, and as the owner of this Forum I expect you to respect this request of mine.

Have fun otherwise

Then what system works best.

It is proven that Freedom of trade is better than Socialism in area of economy. I specialise in political economy as it is related to my career choice as well. I run McKinsey-like consultancy, albeit far smaller

It is proven that Freedom of trade is better than Socialism in area of economy. I specialise in political economy as it is related to my career choice as well. I run McKinsey-like consultancy, albeit far smaller

Is that really proven?  Where has a true socialism economy failed? Where has a true free market flourished?

So, any news on the democratic debate? All I pick up here is news on Trump. He's managing to get compared to our Mozart of .politics., Wilders.

Quote from: Test on December 20, 2015, 01:38:05 PM

It is proven that Freedom of trade is better than Socialism in area of economy. I specialise in political economy as it is related to my career choice as well. I run McKinsey-like consultancy, albeit far smaller

Is that really proven?  Where has a true socialism economy failed? Where has a true free market flourished?

Yes it is really proven. Socialist economy failed to fulfil on its promises everywhere it has been tried. Free trade flourished and bettered the life of people everywhere it has been tried in comparison in a scientifically controllable manner, such as German lands, Korean lands, Chinese lands, and many more.

Both suffer from a certain set of the same problems, as there is no such thing system without issues, but Socialism creates far more unwanted, damaging and outright immoral* side effects than Free trade does.

* as far as "do not do to others what they would not want done to themselves" goes.

So, any news on the democratic debate? All I pick up here is news on Trump. He's managing to get compared to our Mozart of .politics., Wilders.

Once you are successful enough, you will get all sort of garbage thrown at you by the people who prefer the status quo. .politics. is one area of reality where resistance to change is perhaps the strongest. Fact of life. Compare hate Trump gets with the hate Obama got when he was making his change. Not really much worse, is it? BTW, I hear that Socialist promises of Obamacare failed to deliver and the vulnerable people are worse off? Not surprised.

I heard the idea of Obamacare was perverted by corporate America.
Looking at my own situation, I'm way better off with our (Dutch) system of healthcare. Really glad my insurance company doesn't decide what treatment is deemed necessary but doctors do.

World is not black and white, Taysby, there is infinity of colours in between. Still, it is proven that Freedom is better than Socialism in the area of economy, because Socialism is based on false assumptions.

Obamacare was corrupted by the reality, Kaylesh, in reality people are greedy and they place themselves first, then their family, then their friends, then their neighbours, then the rest of society. Socialism assumes this is not the case and we should all treat ourselves the same as the rest of society. It fails in practice, every time, because people have and will always have different priorities for themselves, their family, friends and the rest of society.

People do tend to be selfish things.
You see the same thing happening here, with managers draining as much as possible from the institutions they manage. (Hospitals, insurance companies that claim to be not-for-profit, the list goes on).
However, if a community agrees some things should be available to all, like the fire department, police, and why not, healthcare, when funded publicly it can benefit each individual.
Unfortunately we are stuck with human tendencies, like self-enrichment, which will cause problems. Corrupt policemen being the most common example. But should we then rely on self-defense or vigilante justice?

We can have the best of both if we compromise. Free trade is so far the best tool we have to find compromises, I think.

We can have the best of both if we compromise. Free trade is so far the best tool we have to find compromises, I think.

Free trade is showing to be bad in its own ways. Look at the United States. Look at how the separation between the middle class is to the 1%.

How do you run your family? Free market or socialism? 

If everyone cared as much about society as a whole as they do their family it would be different. But human greed destroys everything

For an extreme example. Look up the Pullman for a bad free market that really didn't work well.