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I think this end lesson is rather clear. DON'T CHEAT. DON'T ATTEPT TO CHEAT BY LYING. It's really rather simple.

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 11:34:09 PM

Look if pitor says he's giving him neg karma cause he pulled a dick move he has every right but he also Acknowledge that he wasn't guilty. So I think this is a good learning exp for every one on this site allowed or not don't be a dbag because one way or another the community  will find a way to get even. And when you make a contest make a list of rules for it to make sure this won't happen again.

You are getting very good at missing the point. The point of -50 was to erase his guilt, he was guilty as hell before this punishment was dealt. Punishment erases the guilt, so he is not guilty now, between me and him. That was my punishment, he is still guilty of crimes against others. They may chose to forgive.

If you want to discuss things, first learn about them otherwise you make yourself look stupid. Your grasp of how iMtG law works is abysmal.

Look I have held back but your constant need to pick at me is un called for. Try bringing your little imtg law into the real world where you have to fight just to put food on the table for your family. It would last all of 1 second your like my wife facts don't mean squat to you regardless of how obvious they are you want to punish someone then it should be yourself and the people who made the contest without rules. Ask any person on the street and they will tell you all he did was beat the system and you just can't stand it. I reject your ideals on this matter because there just that ideals not facts. But you run the site so your the almighty god on here and so I may not agree with your petty rules but I adhear to them. But when cold hard fact slaps you in the face and you still hide behind your little wall of rules it just shows how ignorant of a person you are.  You need to take a step back and stop being a dictator. You say you run your life family and business by these rules yet given 5 min I'm sure I could point out times when you break these rules at each of them. And if you want to ban me or have one of your yes men attack me that just shows even more how much of a god complex you have. Even other  people may not have liked the facts I brought up but they agreed they were a valid point and you can't  stand that. I hope whatever you do in the real world you the only one who does it because if not one day someone is going to chew you up and spit you out because they don't follow your rules and there won't be anything you can do abought it.
People lie cheat and steal to get ahead its a fact of the world. I have done nothing to you to earn the way you have acted towards me.  I even supported you choice of punishment towards him for the dick thing he did but you still attack me. Grow up, and ink you sir are a dbag for taking a friendly contest and turning it into a full blown moral fight. You were wrong for what you did on a moral stand point. Regardless of rules being not put in place you should have assumed you couldn't do what you did. It's because of people like you we have to tediously put stupid rules like that in place and its bs. You are what's wrong with society and why the imtg laws would never work in the real world. I gave you chance after chance to be the better man but then you pop up because I defend the point on a technicality and make your self look even more like a dick. If any of the mods would have switched this trial into a trial of your moral standings for what you did you would have lost hands down but it was a trial on lying which you did not do. But being a dbag and stacking the vote is just as bad. So I'm going to again ask polity for pitor to stop attacking me and let it go. He was wrong but not for what this thread was accusing him of and that was the point I was trying to make from day one and just because you don't like the facts dosent change them end of story.

That's quite the rant.

3 things I'd like to add before this goes even more berserk.

1: you yell at Piotr for overreacting and being rash with you, but have you read your own posts? You haven't exactly been cute and cuddly, yourself. Your reap what you sow, do you not?

2: don't call me, or the other mods "yes men." Sure, I agree with ideals put forth by imtg law (which boil down to logic and compassion the way I see them) but dragging me or any of us others into your squabble and inferring that we blindly follow and agree with Piotr is idiotic and untrue. We disagree about stuff all the time, ask him yourself.

3: I have to know, why is it so important to you to defend doing the amoral thing to get ahead just because you have the opportunity? I don't get it. You say ask anyone in the street, I urge you to do so. Ask any stranger "if you could win a contest for $40 by stuffing a ballot box while no one was looking, would you do it?" Go ahead, go to a mall, ask someone you don't know.

Try bringing your little imtg law into the real world where you have to fight just to put food on the table for your family.

Lol no need to get all worked up just because the law works well, as intended and prevents you and the likes of you from doing to us, the honest people, what we wouldn't want to be done to us, without punishment. This trial was not about lying, 'do not lie' is just a commentary. It was about testing whether a crime was committed according to iMtG law. Maybe your petty technicalities would be enough to stop one of the silly 'real life' laws you seem to be so fond of. I wonder why you are so fond of them, perhaps because the other laws are easy for the likes of you to work around? Well sorry to break it for you, iMtG law is fool proof, it works well, it has been tested in real life situations, this trial is a real life situation.

Could this argument possibly be handled through PM? If not I feel this topic will be badly side tracked. Also...since punishment has been dealt there is no more guilt...can we lock this topic?

Side note...Piotr puts alot of effort into this app. I don't know Piotr on a personal level but just from using this app I know he puts in effort. Isn't it a perfectly logical response for him to get upset when people do or say things that adversely effect the community in which he built? Just my thoughts on the matter.

I think we need a mod only pull for contests

Let me address your points one by one

1. When it come to this thread and anything i said up until my rant towards pitor I may not have been cute and cuddly but I was respectful.

2. I did not call any mod a yes man you don't need to be a mod to be a yes man and the fact that you think I was referring to just mods or mods in piticular makes me feel that there is something wrong with this whole system and the way it's set up.

3.The problem with this statement is everything, to do it when no one was looking is a big game changer also how could anyone win if they only vote for themselves you would have to cast more than one to win so this would not be an Accurate description of the events that took place. Now if you were to just go up to people and ask them to vote on a specific thing they made or was made by another contestant and not inform them that you can or can't cast more then one vote I Guarantee at least one person will vote multiple times. Which is what happened. Also I'm not defending it I'm pointing out that its a fact of life weather we like it or not.

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 02, 2013, 06:55:33 AM

Try bringing your little imtg law into the real world where you have to fight just to put food on the table for your family.

Lol no need to get all worked up just because the law works well, as intended and prevents you and the likes of you from doing to us, the honest people, what we wouldn't want to be done to us, without punishment. This trial was not about lying, 'do not lie' is just a commentary. It was about testing whether a crime was committed according to iMtG law. Maybe your petty technicalities would be enough to stop one of the silly 'real life' laws you seem to be so fond of. I wonder why you are so fond of them, perhaps because the other laws are easy for the likes of you to work around? Well sorry to break it for you, iMtG law is fool proof, it works well, it has been tested in real life situations, this trial is a real life situation.

Spoken like a true dictator all hail pitor. Nothing is fool proof unless your a fool.

I'm not defending it I'm pointing out that its a fact of life weather we like it or not.

Yes it is a fact of life, we don't like it at all, that's why we have our cute little law which allows us to punish the f**kheads who do evil.

Spoken like a true dictator all hail pitor.

I am a dictator here. My will is the law here. It happens to be iMtG law.

And haveing a mod only pool is just as bad because when the source of the mods is made by one person then can it be just? Look at the imtg rules to be a mod it's Ridiculous it's like taking an oath to the all mighty pitor. You people want to follow blindly that's your choice but one day you will be wronged and will have no one to blame but yourself for allowing one person to control everything.

Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2013, 08:14:55 AM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 02, 2013, 06:55:33 AM

Try bringing your little imtg law into the real world where you have to fight just to put food on the table for your family.

Lol no need to get all worked up just because the law works well, as intended and prevents you and the likes of you from doing to us, the honest people, what we wouldn't want to be done to us, without punishment. This trial was not about lying, 'do not lie' is just a commentary. It was about testing whether a crime was committed according to iMtG law. Maybe your petty technicalities would be enough to stop one of the silly 'real life' laws you seem to be so fond of. I wonder why you are so fond of them, perhaps because the other laws are easy for the likes of you to work around? Well sorry to break it for you, iMtG law is fool proof, it works well, it has been tested in real life situations, this trial is a real life situation.

Spoken like a true dictator all hail pitor. Nothing is fool proof unless your a fool.

I CAN'T TAKE IT. .loving. LEARN 3RD GRADE GRAMMAR YOU .loving. IDIOT THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE ON THE INTERNET. .love..

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 02, 2013, 09:40:59 AM

Quote from: Piotr on August 02, 2013, 08:14:55 AM

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 02, 2013, 06:55:33 AM

Try bringing your little imtg law into the real world where you have to fight just to put food on the table for your family.

Lol no need to get all worked up just because the law works well, as intended and prevents you and the likes of you from doing to us, the honest people, what we wouldn't want to be done to us, without punishment. This trial was not about lying, 'do not lie' is just a commentary. It was about testing whether a crime was committed according to iMtG law. Maybe your petty technicalities would be enough to stop one of the silly 'real life' laws you seem to be so fond of. I wonder why you are so fond of them, perhaps because the other laws are easy for the likes of you to work around? Well sorry to break it for you, iMtG law is fool proof, it works well, it has been tested in real life situations, this trial is a real life situation.

Spoken like a true dictator all hail pitor. Nothing is fool proof unless your a fool.

I CAN'T TAKE IT. .loving. LEARN 3RD GRADE GRAMMAR YOU .loving. IDIOT THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE ON THE INTERNET. .love..

You just said what my position as a mod was keeping* me from saying. Thank you.

*choosing not to

Look at the imtg rules to be a mod it's Ridiculous it's like taking an oath to the all mighty pitor. You people want to follow blindly that's your choice but one day you will be wronged and will have no one to blame but yourself for allowing one person to control everything.

The mod rules: obey the iMtG law.

Being a mod requires an oath to obey the law. Pretty common act in so called 'real world'.

The law controls everything, I don't*. We are a little cute nomocracy here.

* too lazy for that.

All the rage!