Imink

Quote from: Cal8301 on August 01, 2013, 05:38:16 PM

Quote from: Imink on August 01, 2013, 05:28:09 PM

Yes I believe that everyone was capible of voting in the same manner that I did, if they chose to.

And did you believe they would?

His response to this was yes so in my Opinion he broke no law

It doesn't matter what he believed or not believed. It is irrelevant if everyone else could be cheaters too. iMtG law talks not about motives, it talks about actions and whether the actions were harmful to others. Did he DO something which other people didn't want to be done to them? He bloody did, he is guilty. Now we are deciding what to do with him as a punishment.

I agree with Piotr, guilty, but what can we do? I know this has been discussed before but, if we are going to punish him, how do we do it?

I did not every one had the same exact chance to do what I did and I think if other people in the contest realized this I assumed that they would do the same and I'd be fine with it because they found a way to win.

So you believe that if I have the chance of stealing property from you, you can steal property from me?

I did not every one had the same exact chance to do what I did and I think if other people in the contest realized this I assumed that they would do the same and I'd be fine with it because they found a way to win.

If everyone else had the chance to jump off a bridge, would you do it? Sorry just reminded me of the old parental comeback.

I agree with Piotr, guilty, but what can we do? I know this has been discussed before but, if we are going to punish him, how do we do it?

-50 from me.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 07:23:37 PM

I agree with Piotr, guilty, but what can we do? I know this has been discussed before but, if we are going to punish him, how do we do it?

-50 from me.

What are you talking about? -50 karma?

Edit: Are talking about using -50 karma as a punishment?

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 07:30:03 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 07:23:37 PM

I agree with Piotr, guilty, but what can we do? I know this has been discussed before but, if we are going to punish him, how do we do it?

-50 from me.

What are you talking about? -50 karma?

Edit: Are talking about using -50 karma as a punishment?

Yes, I'm a victim of this whole mess. I lost a lot of time because of it. There is no way to recover my time or money, so I go with -50 and not guilty*. Other victims do as they please.

* the purpose of punishment is to erase guilt.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 07:31:27 PM

Quote from: Piotr on August 01, 2013, 07:30:03 PM

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 07:23:37 PM

I agree with Piotr, guilty, but what can we do? I know this has been discussed before but, if we are going to punish him, how do we do it?

-50 from me.

What are you talking about? -50 karma?

Edit: Are talking about using -50 karma as a punishment?

Yes, I'm a victim of this whole mess. I lost a lot of time because of it. There is no way to recover my time or money, so I go with -50 and not guilty. Other victims do as they please.

I wasn't entirely sure what you meant until I looked at the -52 under Imink's name...and then started laughing.

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 01, 2013, 07:23:37 PM

I agree with Piotr, guilty, but what can we do? I know this has been discussed before but, if we are going to punish him, how do we do it?

-50 from me.

Jeez dude, seriously? That's a little harsh. You are the end all be all in this case of course, but I think this has been severely escalated. Was it wrong? Definitely. A monetary value was involved so it definitely is worse than rigging a normal contest. Birdbrain offered up a prize when none was really necessary, at least not of that caliber, and yet he did. This is your app though so if you find the punishment necessary than go for it. Just make sure it's him your punishing and not the provokees.

-50 is a un logical verdict when I'm not guilty of a crime. I understand the frustration behind this and I will not argue. Ill slowly regain karma I'm sorry for this mess happening.

I did not every one had the same exact chance to do what I did and I think if other people in the contest realized this I assumed that they would do the same and I'd be fine with it because they found a way to win.

this undermines the whole spirit of the contest. If everyone made multipule accounts and voted for themselves, it would NEVER stop. People would continue one-upping other people. Have you seen the "whoever gets the last post wins" thread? Its run freaking out of bloody control! There is no foreseeable end of it in the near future. If everyone could make multipule accounts and vote for themselves, it would all be a freaking bloodbath of people getting too competitive and hating each other because they wouldn't win. At least that is the extreme case. And about people voting for themselves. White drake said that. I dare you to find a quote from me saying that, because you won't, and I was running the contest, I made the rules. I see now they wernt clear enough, because I wanted it to be fun. Not a rule-y. I hope you learn your lesson from this and change your ways, else you might end up in jail or something. This is sad, someone turning something that's supposed to be fun, into a freaking trial. But lessons were learned, so thank you for that. However, that thank you doesnt mean everything is peachy keen, just trying to see the light in a dark situation

I love the do not do to others what they would not want done to them rule. That seems to apply here regardless of legalese.

Look if pitor says he's giving him neg karma cause he pulled a dick move he has every right but he also Acknowledge that he wasn't guilty. So I think this is a good learning exp for every one on this site allowed or not don't be a dbag because one way or another the community  will find a way to get even. And when you make a contest make a list of rules for it to make sure this won't happen again.

Look if pitor says he's giving him neg karma cause he pulled a dick move he has every right but he also Acknowledge that he wasn't guilty. So I think this is a good learning exp for every one on this site allowed or not don't be a dbag because one way or another the community  will find a way to get even. And when you make a contest make a list of rules for it to make sure this won't happen again.

You are getting very good at missing the point. The point of -50 was to erase his guilt, he was guilty as hell before this punishment was dealt. Punishment erases the guilt, so he is not guilty now, between me and him. That was my punishment, he is still guilty of crimes against others. They may chose to forgive.

If you want to discuss things, first learn about them otherwise you make yourself look stupid. Your grasp of how iMtG law works is abysmal.

I love the do not do to others what they would not want done to them rule. That seems to apply here regardless of legalese.

All was legal, under iMtG law, in this very case. We had things done which others wouldn't want to be done to them, victims were found so we have a crime. Punishment was dealt, guilt erased, move on.