Is violence sometimes the answer?

I know that a lot of people say that violence is never the answer but people still start things like wars and just general problems. What would you do about a bully when a school won't do anything what are your guys views on this?

Only as a last resort I would say and even then, not the best solution

Violence is not never the answer, but it's a good thing to tell kids because it hardly ever is the answer.

Meh. I do t think so. Being bullied?  Ignore them. They're like trolls. They feed on reactions. The more you cry and whine about them, the more they'll persist. I mean, if you beat the. Within an inch of their life, that would probably do the trick as well, but that would leave lasting damage on both. With a bit of endurance, ignoring them would be the best way to get by, IMO

War is a different beast, though. I personally think it is unnecessary, but, due to human nature, unavoidable. More often than not, war is just a way of getting more money (monetary or resource-wise) While it would be easy to just not attack and live with what we've got, we think "We're bigger and stronger and you have things we want, so we're just going to take it from you and blame someone else."  Personally, I don't have any control over what happens in that regard, so I try to remain ignorant and not get caught up in all that. 

According to iMtG law, violence can only be used as logical punishment. It must be logical, appropriate to the crime.

For example, as a parent I have limited* property rights to my daughter. She disobeys me by trying to cross a busy street. Use the force, Luke.

For example, I see a thief on my property stealing from my garden shed. Use the force, Luke.

For example, I made a silly joke in a pub and got punched in the face for that. Use the force, Luke.

For example, I work as an executioner of the local court and a murderer was sentenced to death. Use the force, Luke.

For example, I'm in the army protecting the law of my country, on my country's soil, against alien invaders. Use the force, Luke.

* she owns her own life.

It depends on what kind of violence. For example if someone is messing with you and you have tried to make it stop, done all you can to try to resolve the situation, punch them right in the face. I guarantee,  they will stop if you hit them hard enough. But when you are talking about lethal force, almost never, only in self defense.

I'm not sure bullies feed on reactions. One time, one of my friends was being bullied, and this guy charged toward the bully (not intending to use violence, he was far away) and shouted "you leave her alone!" And the bully never bullied her after that

There was a kid who was always messing with me so one day I told him I would fight him, but I wasn't stupid I wanted to do it off school grounds. We went out there and after he threw few punches that I blocked, it kicked in the stomach a few times and, I kid you not, he walked away saying he had to "take a bubble bath". He hasn't messed with me since.

Violence is NEVET the answer!


It is the question!

Sadly some people don't back down when being ignored. I've nvr been one to go looking for a fight, but everyone that knows me knows that I won't be walked on. Nor will I let someone be bullied in front of me...can't stand it and won't stand it. Also...and don't hate me for this...but if any guy older then 18 physically hurts (hits, slaps, kicks) a woman in front of me there will be a fight. I've tried to work through this but for some reason that's a trigger that I'm having a hard time shaking.

but if any guy older then 18 physically hurts (hits, slaps, kicks) a woman in front of me there will be a fight. I've tried to work through this but for some reason that's a trigger that I'm having a hard time shaking.

I don't care how old the guy is, as long as he's old enough to know this is morally wrong, he will be getting a "lesson in morals"

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on July 31, 2013, 07:57:14 PM

but if any guy older then 18 physically hurts (hits, slaps, kicks) a woman in front of me there will be a fight. I've tried to work through this but for some reason that's a trigger that I'm having a hard time shaking.

I don't care how old the guy is, as long as he's old enough to know this is morally wrong, he will be getting a "lesson in morals"

Bloody sexists

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on July 31, 2013, 07:57:14 PM

but if any guy older then 18 physically hurts (hits, slaps, kicks) a woman in front of me there will be a fight. I've tried to work through this but for some reason that's a trigger that I'm having a hard time shaking.

I don't care how old the guy is, as long as he's old enough to know this is morally wrong, he will be getting a "lesson in morals"

Vampyvyrus is right, if you hit a kid, you can get in a lot of trouble. That can stop you from getting jobs and depending on the parents you might go to jail for assault or face a huge civil suit that could cost you.

Quote from: S717 on July 31, 2013, 08:13:11 PM

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on July 31, 2013, 07:57:14 PM

but if any guy older then 18 physically hurts (hits, slaps, kicks) a woman in front of me there will be a fight. I've tried to work through this but for some reason that's a trigger that I'm having a hard time shaking.

I don't care how old the guy is, as long as he's old enough to know this is morally wrong, he will be getting a "lesson in morals"

Vampyvyrus is right, if you hit a kid, you can get in a lot of trouble. That can stop you from getting jobs and depending on the parents you might go to jail for assault or face a huge civil suit that could cost you.

I won't hit anyone under 18 I have children of my own and can't afford it. I will still get in their face and embarrass them. I've had a situation where I witnessed a 16 yr old verbally assaulting his girlfriend while his friends stood by and laughed. I walked up and stepped btwn him and his gf. This action alone scared the bejesus out of him. I asked his gf if she was ok and then asked him if he had a problem. He said no we were just having a fun. I told him it didn't look like she was having fun. Ok this story is longer then I intended and I'm giving my daughter a bath. So...long story short...I ended by telling him if I ever saw him talking to a girl like that again I would bend him over my knee and spank him in front of his friends. He seemed much more respectful every time I saw him after that.

Btw...threats like that don't always go over well with the kids parents...I just happened to know this particular kids dad and had a convo with him directly after the confrontation.

Teaching young males to not be abusive is a critical