Touchy Subject #4 Paula Deen *NSFW

Just for the sake of devil's advocate, how would you feel if I said that the vegan diet lacks an essential vitamin required for human brain health. This vitamin is only found in animal/fish protein, and deficiency of which is known to cause deteriorative brain diseases? Would your opinions of humans needing to eat animal products change at all?

This is true, btw. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the vegan lifestyle, but if you (any of you) are vegan, PLEASE take a B12 supplement, for your health.

Vegans aren't the only diet deficient in B12, vegitarians and meat eaters also miss out on essential amounts of B12. The amount of B12 required is low, but of course it's necessary for all non-meat diets.

B12 is actually produced artificially by raising bacteria cultures, that's where B12 supplements usually come from. That is used to fortify some vegan products. But unhealthy vegans are bad for the promotion of a vegan diet, so they should be taking the health steps.

If i turn to my black friend and call him a cracker, and he calls me a nigger even though i'm white, there's no problem.
Black people call black people niggers all the time, why should the word be barred from leaving the mouths of any other race?

It's a word.


If i told you that the word banana offended me to my core and ancestry, you would say "what the .love. is this kid thinking".
It's just another word.

Paula deen needs to make things with butter, how else will we know how to use it?

Vegans aren't the only diet deficient in B12, vegitarians and meat eaters also miss out on essential amounts of B12. The amount of B12 required is low, but of course it's necessary for all non-meat diets.

B12 is actually produced artificially by raising bacteria cultures, that's where B12 supplements usually come from. That is used to fortify some vegan products. But unhealthy vegans are bad for the promotion of a vegan diet, so they should be taking the health steps.

True, other diets can also get a b12 deficiency, but it is the only one that is naturally void of it. Other vegetarians can get b12 naturally through animal products other than meat (cheese, milk, eggs, etc). It can be enough, but someone who doesn't know enough about managing their nutrition might still not get enough for their health.

As for artificial bacteria-made b12, yes that's true. But... before we silly humans had the capability of producing such technology, we have always been an omnivorous race. We even evolved somewhere along the line to STOP using our appendix, which used to digest sucrose but is now vestigial.

Besides, bacteria are living creatures too where do you draw the line on what life is okay to 'abuse,' and by what authority? I don't think that's unreasonable to ask, considering I'm one of those scum-of-the-earth omnivores.

In any case, glad to hear you're smart about your nutritional input.

Yeah anyone who promotes animal abuse can get shot in the face in my book

I can't stand cruelty to animals

I'd usually rather be around animals than people

so you would sooner decapitate a human than a chicken? Sort out your priorities man.

All health reasons aside, how does the thought of eating dead animal carcass not gross people out? (I just took the jump back to vegetarianism because I could not stand the thought of eating animals bodies any longer!)

On the topic of Paula Deen, she's a dummy. I have never been a fan of her.

If i turn to my black friend and call him a cracker, and he calls me a nigger even though i'm white, there's no problem.
Black people call black people niggers all the time, why should the word be barred from leaving the mouths of any other race?

It's a word.


If i told you that the word banana offended me to my core and ancestry, you would say "what the .love. is this kid thinking".
It's just another word.

Paula deen needs to make things with butter, how else will we know how to use it?

Remind me to respond to every comment you ever make with no emotion. Since they are all "just words" and don't really mean anything! 👍

Animal carcass, plant carcass...it's all dead lifeforms, isn't it? Plant life even responds to emotion and music. Is it because they're not 'cute' that it's okay to eat them?

Side note; I am kind of amused that this debate has gone from an issue revolving around racism, free speech, and the media into a (much less important, yet more interesting imo) discussion about the morality of eating hamburgers.

Plants ARE cute!

Case in point: 🌺🌻🌷🌸💐🌼🍄🌲

Haha, fair enough

Well I'd stated before that we do many things that go against the natural order of things, surely some of us have experienced flight - but we're born without wings. Artificial B12 is just fine with me, as Tylenol would be for someone in pain.

If we're to be concerned about the well being of conscious creatures, surely equivocating some minuscule amount of behavior in certain plants that resembles consciousness is inappropriate. I can't claim to know how we lost the use of our appendix, and at which point it was useful.

I'll leave it this way: if a race of super intelligent, technologically advanced aliens came to this planet, captured people, put them in tiny cells and slaughtered them - how would you feel? What if you found out they didn't have to do it, but we taste good, and they feel as though their superior intellect gives them the right?

Edit: to elaborate on Gorzo's point, the idea of "the wellbeing of conscious creatures" is woven into all of my statements. Not simply the destruction of life. Only the truly misguided (or naive) would ever be against the destruction of any living being, it's unavoidable, a sneeze kills thousands of prospective life forms. I'm speaking of our relation to, and reliance on the wellbeing of conscious creatures.

Also, the suggestion that we once upon a time required meat to live - you're right. Anyone can see that. We are no longer reliant on it, and certainly not in the quantities we they're produced today. There is nothing "natural" about factory farming, giving modern medicine to chickens so they don't die from overbreeding, nothing natural about any of those things. The naturalistic argument fails even its users. I cannot turn meat eaters into vegitarians/vegans, once upon a time we were all omnivores, and perhaps carnivores before that.

I'm doing my best to convey my message that eating animals is wrong, and understandably I've got my critics. I don't agree with it, but no one needs my approval or blessing to continue doing what they're doing. My parents are still omnivorous, most of my friends, most of the women I've dated, they understand my dissatisfaction with what they do - but who cares, right?

I care, but not enough to stop eating meat altogether. I can't wait when artificial meet is mass produced, then we can have our cookie and eat it too.

Seventh Day Adventists (google it... with a grain of salt) like me are ravenous vegetarians. I was raised on a meat free diet and my wife and daughter remain so.

Some years ago I switched to bacon and its been a savory sin ever since but that is the exception not the rule. My wife hates meat and so, unless I'm at a restaurant or on special occasion, I tend to eat veggie too.

I'll say this for a veggie diet: it doesn't taste quite as good but it feels better.

And Piotr, there are all kinds of fake meats on the market over here. Many are nasty but there are some great ones. If we're ever over in the UK my wife can make you a great shamburger!

Seventh Day Adventists (google it... with a grain of salt) like me are ravenous vegetarians. I was raised on a meat free diet and my wife and daughter remain so.

Some years ago I switched to bacon and its been a savory sin ever since but that is the exception not the rule. My wife hates meat and so, unless I'm at a restaurant or on special occasion, I tend to eat veggie too.

I'll say this for a veggie diet: it doesn't taste quite as good but it feels better.

"My girlfriend's a vegetarian, which pretty much makes me a vegetarian." - Jules Winnfield

Whether you agree with eating meat or not, you cant argue the fact that Americans consume way too much meat than is necessary or healthy. I had to curb my meat intake due to health reasons, and now only consume meat two or three times a week. And even then it's either fish or chicken.

I've often thought about switching back to a vegetarian diet. This conversation has gotten me thinking about it again.