Touchy subject #5: Gun rights NSFW

I am saying we should make sure NO-ONE gets hurt unprovoked.

I believe that if you take away guns, murder rate will go UP. 

You know what is easier to get then a gun.  A knife, a BIG knife, or a butter knife.  Someone can come at you with a knife, and you don't have the protection a gun could provide you.  Let us say, you were a mousey framed person, not strong.  Then a guy breaks into your house with a knife.  He is a BIG guy, like Clowny big (USC Linebacker).  A mousey guy could hold a gun, point, and protect himself just fine in this situation.  But without the security of that gun, he would die.

Amendment #2... The right to bear arms.

People that flip out about this being in our constitutional rights need to understand this:

That was meant for the REVOLUTIONARY WAR TIME.

It doesnt mean you should have a firearm on your belt as you walk through a crowd of people. That's just dumb.

I should stop posting in these i'm very opinionated.

Oh look, this argument again. Of course I don't need to. BUT I CAN BECAUSE IT'S MY .loving. RIGHT. The Bill of Rights was written to protect the rights of citizens. When it was written has absolutely no bearing on what it means. I suppose that free speech and due process are archaic and should be forgotten as well. Checks and balances are given to ensure that one body of government can't become too powerful. The Bill of Rights is the peoples' checks and balances.

Quote from: Slenderbro on July 23, 2013, 02:11:27 AM

Amendment #2... The right to bear arms.

People that flip out about this being in our constitutional rights need to understand this:

That was meant for the REVOLUTIONARY WAR TIME.

It doesnt mean you should have a firearm on your belt as you walk through a crowd of people. That's just dumb.

I should stop posting in these i'm very opinionated.

Oh look, this argument again. Of course I don't need to. BUT I CAN BECAUSE IT'S MY .loving. RIGHT. The Bill of Rights was written to protect the rights of citizens. When it was written has absolutely no bearing on what it means. I suppose that free speech and due process are archaic and should be forgotten as well. Checks and balances are given to ensure that one body of government can't become too powerful. The Bill of Rights is the peoples' checks and balances.

My point is that that's not what it was meant for.

#3 is gone as well, you need to understand why they were written. Yes it is there, no you shouldnt take it literally

The right to bear arms was written for multiple reasons. The most significant of which is the ability to protect yourself and your family. To remove this right ensures that criminals ( people who don't care how many laws you pass) and the government will be the ONLY people having firearms. Precedent for what happens when this is done has been set in both Washington DC and in Juarez, Mexico. Look at the crime rates of both areas and tell me again how making guns illegal protects anybody.
In addition, I love the 3rd amendment. It means that the government can't put soldiers in my home and have me and my wife provide for them at my cost.
Also, another note on firearm rights. It HELPS to protect the country. IF we are invaded, the people can help to defend against foreign adversaries. I for one would gladly defend my country with any of my firearms.

I am saying we should make sure NO-ONE gets hurt unprovoked.

You are advocating hurting people unprovoked by infringing on their natural right to own things.

When it comes to gun control, crime statistics and lobbyist - they can all be manipulated to prove one point or another. The simple facts are, as Piotr has expressed at length - you have the rights to your person and your property. These rights are inalienable. No one gives them to you, you're born with them. End of discussion.

If you've got no rights to your person or property, your rights are being infringed, you're at the whims of your captures. The bill of rights was the worst thing that ever happened to the constitution. They need not be listed as "rights". A list of "rights" seems as though an entity gives them to you, the idea that Americans have "the most freedom" is preposterous. No government gives you freedoms, just infringes on them.