The Stack

😂 Haven't you already made that reference?  😄

😁 I think the last one was Bruce Lee. 😏

Jet li wins all fights. Chuck norris isnt even a match for him

Quote from: BlackJester on March 16, 2012, 08:50:51 PM

😂 Haven't you already made that reference?  😄

😁 I think the last one was Bruce Lee. 😏

Great, now you've gone and made me look it up :
imtgapp.com/.....topic=1503.0

If I have a torch friend and someone doom blade it can I use it's ability  Since its instant ? Or it dies before I can use it ?

If I have a torch friend and someone doom blade it can I use it's ability  Since its instant ? Or it dies before I can use it ?

Before Doom Blade resolves, you absolutely can use the Torch Fiend's ability and sac it. You are always able to respond to spells with fast-effects. (except with the Split Second ability, but that's a topic for another day.)

Ok I was wondering because at my last FMN I used doom blade on something but the player used shock on one of his creature ( I didn't have any) " to gain priority" then he sacrificed his creature do destroy my artifact .. So I am not really sure why he did that

Yeah, he didn't really need to do that. 
I'm guessing that the sacrifice was part of the cost, so he should have just paid the cost and the activated ability would just go on the stack to resolve before your doom blade gets to kill it.

Yeah, he didn't really need to do that. 
I'm guessing that the sacrifice was part of the cost, so he should have just paid the cost and the activated ability would just go on the stack to resolve before your doom blade gets to kill it.

Yeah, he wasted a Shock because he would have HAD priority in order to CAST the shock. LoL

Quote from: Spikepit on March 16, 2012, 08:58:54 PM

Quote from: BlackJester on March 16, 2012, 08:50:51 PM

😂 Haven't you already made that reference?  😄

😁 I think the last one was Bruce Lee. 😏

Great, now you've gone and made me look it up :
imtgapp.com/.....topic=1503.0

Oh! You win! But how cool is the Transporter!

This is a 3 part question;
 I play mayor of avabruck and it flips to howlpack alpha on their turn, then my next turn play feed the pack but dont want to sacrifice howlpack alpha. When the end phase begins, what stacks when:

The alpha first on the stack(because mayor was in play first), resolving the feed the pack first?

Or will alpha create the token before I have to choose the sac.

Last part is the same questions but if instead the mayor is in play turn 5 and then the feed the pack comes into play turn 6, then the mayor gets flipped to alpha during enemy's turn 6?

I'll appreciate to hear back from somebody.

This is a 3 part question;
 I play mayor of avabruck and it flips to howlpack alpha on their turn, then my next turn play feed the pack but dont want to sacrifice howlpack alpha. When the end phase begins, what stacks when:

The alpha first on the stack(because mayor was in play first), resolving the feed the pack first?

Or will alpha create the token before I have to choose the sac.

Last part is the same questions but if instead the mayor is in play turn 5 and then the feed the pack comes into play turn 6, then the mayor gets flipped to alpha during enemy's turn 6?

I'll appreciate to hear back from somebody.

Good questions. The answer to them all is the same: whenever a player has more than one trigger that would go on the stack from a single event (end step in this case) that player chooses the order they are placed. It really doesn't matter in cases like this which has been on the battlefield longer.

Also worth mentioning is that the ability on Feed the Pack doesn't target a creature. This means you don't have to chose one until the ability begins resolving. If creatures change between the time the ability trigger and goes on the stack and when it resolves, the ability only asks that you choose when it resolves and will check the chosen non-token creature's toughness at that time.

Also, Feed the Pack's ability says "you may" so you can choose to do nothing when it resolves.

I attack with a creature like a 3/3, my opponent blocks with a 2/1 that has an enchantment that allows his creature to tap deal one damage to target creature or player. So he blocks, taps his guy, I respond with righteous blow. He says mine resolves first but the ability of the enchantment resolves after even though the creature it was enchanting is dead. I didn't really understand how an enchaments ability could be active if the creature was dead from my righteous blow.


Did I get hosed?

I attack with a creature like a 3/3, my opponent blocks with a 2/1 that has an enchantment that allows his creature to tap deal one damage to target creature or player. So he blocks, taps his guy, I respond with righteous blow. He says mine resolves first but the ability of the enchantment resolves after even though the creature it was enchanting is dead. I didn't really understand how an enchaments ability could be active if the creature was dead from my righteous blow.


Did I get hosed?

Your opponent is correct. Once an ability is declared, costs are paid, and it's put on the stack, it exists separately from whatever put it on the stack.

Think of it like an arrow. Once it's fired, killing the archer won't stop the arrow.

Your 3/3 will still survive, having only taken one damage. His creature won't deal any combat damage, since that no longer uses the stack. 

Quote from: Willthomjr on May 19, 2012, 03:45:59 AM

I attack with a creature like a 3/3, my opponent blocks with a 2/1 that has an enchantment that allows his creature to tap deal one damage to target creature or player. So he blocks, taps his guy, I respond with righteous blow. He says mine resolves first but the ability of the enchantment resolves after even though the creature it was enchanting is dead. I didn't really understand how an enchaments ability could be active if the creature was dead from my righteous blow.


Did I get hosed?

Your opponent is correct. Once an ability is declared, costs are paid, and it's put on the stack, it exists separately from whatever put it on the stack.

Think of it like an arrow. Once it's fired, killing the archer won't stop the arrow.

Your 3/3 will still survive, having only taken one damage. His creature won't deal any combat damage, since that no longer uses the stack.

He would have to tap his creature directly after the declare blocker step and before the damage step.  If he tapped it after the damage step it would be too late since his creature would have died from your 3/3.  Correct Jester?

You betcha!

Older players, or players returning to the game, might get tripped up on this because combat damage actually used to use the stack.

There was a time where you could attack with a Ball Lightning, put the combat damage on the stack, and fling it for another 6 damage. It only changed fairly recently too. (Recent is pretty subjective, anyone have the rules change date?)