How sustainable are you?

I am using the basic app interface. Maybe beta has a new theme which hasn't it applied?

I am using the basic app interface. Maybe beta has a new theme which hasn't it applied?

Ok, you have 'Leave words uncensored' on. You can change it in theme=1 if you want.

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Truth cannot be changed by voting. True or false?

That is probably a wise choice, still it takes only one scientist who is right and can prove it to make all the other scientists' opinions irrelevant.

What is their opinion, btw?

I also do not believe 489 scientists or so represent all climatologists, and most of those statistics are based on the publishers with most acceptation, which is quite obviously the global warming ones (the ones publishing the main advertised subject right now, not against it). Some of them are really considerable, though, and the most contradicting one is the only one outside the graph (I don't know why). It stands alone amongst the mentioned studies though. It it the 2012 one, and the one with most info, including some of what may cause biased ideas. I would say that contesting evidence and trying to prove it is false is what brought most revolutions in science, though. Just take Galileo, Copernicus, Einstein, Hawkins or many others who said what was believed as incontestable in their time was wrong. Even Columbus did it.

Also, experiences over controllable ambients are not always repeatable, and MANY times do not represent the reality. Scientists do not have the knowledge or technology to experiment considering every variable in Earth. Most experiments done with crop growth in heated earth scenarios do not account for the impact of plants' response to increased CO2 levels, for one example.

I really thank you for taking the time to reference to an article with references though. When I wake up I will look more in-depth though, I found it interesting. I do agree some scientists could have spoken against their beliefs in many of those, but I do not believe it would be more than 20%(extremely high rate, I would say), and it shouldn't change the majority even if the number indeed is that big and all if those speaking against themselves did it in favor of the human influences.

You had me till Columbus. Vikings beat him by half a millennia. just saying.

You had me till Columbus. Vikings beat him by half a millennia. just saying.

Yes but they kept it secret, kept it safe. That's not proper science

You had me till Columbus. Vikings beat him by half a millennia. just saying.

And native Americans by some thousand years before Vikings. The society Columbus lived in, though, hadn't known any of this, so Columbus couldn't have used this knowledge

I wonder what happened to kangarod.  We can't keep this discussion going without him.

I call a lie on this, my friend.

It doesn't need to be Kanga, though

Quote from: Piotr on May 23, 2013, 03:48:47 PM

Quote from: Taysby on May 23, 2013, 11:37:41 AM

I wonder what happened to kangarod.  We can't keep this discussion going without him.

I call a lie on this, my friend.

Well we can't debate if there is no one debating the other side.

Discussion and debate are somewhat different, but in any case even if you agree on the goal you may not agree on means, or you may debate the outcome when goal is reached, or ...

Quote from: Piotr on May 22, 2013, 07:10:05 PM

What is their opinion, btw?

Most of the modern studies seem to show that over 90% of the worlds scientists across all fields agree that the planet is heating up due to human activity.

I agree with that too. Do they claim that warming is due to human activity only, rather than combination of natural processes and human activity? What is the percentage of scientists who agree that this human warming is significant? What is the percentage of scientists who agree that the predicted warming is something bad for human civilisation?

On the article he linked to there is informations about those questions, Piotr

On the article he linked to there is informations about those questions, Piotr

Yes, sorry, apart from this one: what is the percentage of scientists who agree that the predicted warming is something bad for human civilisation?