Debate thread.

Quote from: Piotr on May 15, 2013, 07:36:32 PM

Quote from: Vyse on May 15, 2013, 07:18:36 PM

Out of 120 million some estimated votes, I wonder how many people died going to the poll booth. Send me the statistics piotr. Why did you twist this into "statistically you're likely to die doing anything" when all I was trying to promote was voting. There's no point to it.

You are trying to promote voting but you didn't provide any reason I could relate to. My statistics are simply to provide you with a different point of view, and possibly a common ground.

Voting isn't generally life and death matters, it's serious, but not as serious as car crashes. You literally turned the arguement into "don't vote because you're more likely to die then have it matter". That's not common ground, that's insanity and fear mongering.

I think it's silly to not vote, for any reason. People do not realise what a blessing it is to be able to vote. Having a say in your .politics., however small, is a right not everyone in the world has. Indeed, many countries do not have this. The power of the vote is something I think gets obscured by people who don't understand what it is like to not be able to have a say in the body that governs you. The colonies split from Britain because they were not getting a say in their governance. If you don't vote as an American, I think that you don't comprehend fully how many people fought and died so that you could have and maintain your right to freedom of speech.
While Ireland (where I hail from) was under British control, we too had no representation. We could do very little to influence the Crown in our governance. This led to years of war- many of the older folks will remember the riots and bombings in the 80s and 90s. Now that Ireland is its own Republic, I know at least for me the right to vote is something I cherish. It shows how far we have come and is a down to earth display of one of the basic principles of democracy, if small.

I feel unless you dedicate your lives and income to a movement - you will have no influence upon a vote.

Prop 8 in California failed
A prop to keep state parks open and FREE for CA citizens failed
Somehow pot is legal in a few states but not California still
The city of la is holding another vote to make dispensaries illegal - even though the citizens have voted 3 times to keep them and its going to happen again, just a waste of money and time by people in political power.

Cannabis stops cancer growth and is still considered an equal to heroin or pcp. We the people were told we would not have mmj bothered by the DEA or DoJ when Obama entered. We have more mmj related arrest under Obama than bush

What does that say?

Your vote is squat if those in power do not want it enacted (the bill proposed)

You mad bro, according to your logic paying for iMtG is wealth redistribution. It isn't, it is simply buying a service or product.

Wow. I opened up a huge can of wurms there. Anyway, I guess I just don't like being just another face in the crowd. Never have, probably never will. In high school I was voted most unique, and I want to keep it that way

Voting does seem pretty pointless to me. I suppose a collection of people as a whole can make a difference. Though I really think society as a whole would be better off living in caves like Neanderthals. You could hunt and gather anything you need, and crime would be reduced because people would be kept busy trying to stay alive

At the end of the day, when you've signed a contract, and hell even made a payment or two what do you have to show for it (on insurance)? Nothing, zilch, nadda...

You purchased peace of mind.

Insurance is like betting. You win the bet when something bad happens to you.

Evidence for my point? Crime is lower in rural areas. And small communities

Evidence for my point? Crime is lower in rural areas. And small communities

Correlation is not causation.

Quote from: Birdbrain on May 16, 2013, 08:11:23 AM

Evidence for my point? Crime is lower in rural areas. And small communities

Correlation is not causation.

smaller communities are closer. That closeness creates more empathy. More empathy means less crime

Quote from: Piotr on May 16, 2013, 08:16:01 AM

Quote from: Birdbrain on May 16, 2013, 08:11:23 AM

Evidence for my point? Crime is lower in rural areas. And small communities

Correlation is not causation.

smaller communities are closer. That closeness creates more empathy. More empathy means less crime

That's more like it

Capitalist. If I understand, socialist is not much of helping people, it's even a bit free for all.

He hasn't been on this app since.

Looking at KR's post history, I call a lie on this one

Quote from: Taysby on June 04, 2013, 11:55:36 PM

He hasn't been on this app since.

Looking at KR's post history, I call a lie on this one

Looks like he missed the lie by 7 minutes lol