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Did you miss the part about how they can just as easily uncreate money digitally by increasing the rate at which the loan was paid out, and it's not in fact as you implied, a one way system?and...how are they going to pay for the loan? What do they use to pay out the loan?
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May 07, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
I hate to butt my head into this pillow fight and interrupt, but I must ask - why are you so hellbent on picking a fight with Piotr, Kanga? You've been instigating for the last week. I'm just curious.
Because his philosophy runs so disagreeable to mine. For all intents and purposes he seems to be absolutely my polar opposite. That's fine, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I would like people that do disagree with me to be able to back it up.
I also find it particularly offensive when someone is presented with objective evidence and just simply dismisses it with "no" and believes that is an appropriate argument, and that the ball is back in my court.
Not once has Piotr presented anything other than his opinion, yet he has repeatedly called me a liar when I give mine. Without once presenting evidence to the contrary.
I am of the opinion that if you are going to have (in my opinion) views as ignorant as his, at least I could respect them, if you could give me reason to empathize with them - which he had failed to do time and time again.
Basically, I believe he is overly opinionated, but lacks the ability to back those opinions up as anything factual; yet continues to spout it as hard fact.
I'm sure some people might think the same of me, but I hope that people can actually see that while I may be extremely opinionated, I generally try to back it up with support from 3rd parties.
As I touched on earlier, he also has the habit of calling people liars, instead of saying they are incorrect, and explaining why they are.
I find this practice to be particularly offensive since it implies that I am deliberately presenting a premise that I know to be false for the purposes of misleading you, which I can assure you is not the case.
I may be mistaken from time to time, but I don't think I've ever deliberately tried to mislead you people to believing a premise that I knew was incorrect for some perverted ulterior motive.
A certain amount of discourse is required on the part of Piotr. I agree with the "lying" card in place of an actual exchange of ideas. However i believe you seeing this divide between you and Piotr as somewhat troubling, as if there isn't any common ground. You've decided to butt heads and that is fine. It's been a volley of sorts, and its not a battle anyone can theoretically win.
Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 10:24:14 AM by Dudecore
May 07, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
Did you miss the part about how they can just as easily uncreate money digitally by increasing the rate at which the loan was paid out, and it's not in fact as you implied, a one way system?
No I didn't, did you miss the point that the rates are at all time low? And that in any case you are talking porkies because the interest on debt has nothing to do with the FACT that FED is printing way more money that it is destroying. The article you claim to be proving that I lied at no point suggests that what I said is false. You LIED that I provide no factual backup for my calling out a lie on yours, AGAIN. I provide factual or logical evidence every time I call out someones lie.
We need to have it settled, mate. I'm sick and tired of your accusations and personal attacks on me. I feel victim of this situation and demand a punishment for KangaRod. 2 weeks of Liar replacing your Boss label. Can we have a judge, please?
May 07, 2013, 11:27:52 AM
Maybe this Debate thread is a little too destructive. I thought we were having a friendly debate... I personally was not offended by any of the comments thrown at me.Did you miss the part about how they can just as easily uncreate money digitally by increasing the rate at which the loan was paid out, and it's not in fact as you implied, a one way system?
No I didn't, did you miss the point that the rates are at all time low? And that in any case you are talking porkies because the interest on debt has nothing to do with the FACT that FED is printing way more money that it is destroying. The article you claim to be proving that I lied at no point suggests that what I said is false. You LIED that I provide no factual backup for my calling out a lie on yours, AGAIN. I provide factual or logical evidence every time I call out someones lie.
We need to have it settled, mate. I'm sick and tired of your accusations and personal attacks on me. I feel victim of this situation and demand a punishment for KangaRod. 2 weeks of Liar replacing your Boss label. Can we have a judge, please?
May 07, 2013, 11:59:56 AM
Maybe this Debate thread is a little too destructive. I thought we were having a friendly debate... I personally was not offended by any of the comments thrown at me.
I'm personally offended by this lie:
Don't bother with objective facts. Piotr dismisses as irrelevant them when they run divergent to his point of view.
May 07, 2013, 12:12:40 PM
A certain amount of discourse is required on the part of Piotr.
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May 07, 2013, 02:41:39 PM
Understandable. I think personal slights shouldn't be used in arguments, to be honest, and the same with accusing/name calling. I think that kind of goes for the two of you, though.Maybe this Debate thread is a little too destructive. I thought we were having a friendly debate... I personally was not offended by any of the comments thrown at me.
I'm personally offended by this lie:Don't bother with objective facts. Piotr dismisses as irrelevant them when they run divergent to his point of view.
May 07, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
Understandable. I think personal slights shouldn't be used in arguments, to be honest, and the same with accusing/name calling. I think that kind of goes for the two of you, though.Maybe this Debate thread is a little too destructive. I thought we were having a friendly debate... I personally was not offended by any of the comments thrown at me.
I'm personally offended by this lie:Don't bother with objective facts. Piotr dismisses as irrelevant them when they run divergent to his point of view.
Can I have an example of me doing to KangaRod what he did to me, please?
May 07, 2013, 02:55:45 PM
I believe it was keyeto who said you would never ban/punish someone for going against your opinion, because it would be breaking imtg law back when I called you out for pulling the lying card all the time. I've been following this thread, and I havnt seen kangarods supposed lies, even when you provide supposed truth. You are just (in my opinion) throwing a tantrum. I see no reason for a punishment to befall kanga because of that.Did you miss the part about how they can just as easily uncreate money digitally by increasing the rate at which the loan was paid out, and it's not in fact as you implied, a one way system?
No I didn't, did you miss the point that the rates are at all time low? And that in any case you are talking porkies because the interest on debt has nothing to do with the FACT that FED is printing way more money that it is destroying. The article you claim to be proving that I lied at no point suggests that what I said is false. You LIED that I provide no factual backup for my calling out a lie on yours, AGAIN. I provide factual or logical evidence every time I call out someones lie.
We need to have it settled, mate. I'm sick and tired of your accusations and personal attacks on me. I feel victim of this situation and demand a punishment for KangaRod. 2 weeks of Liar replacing your Boss label. Can we have a judge, please?
May 07, 2013, 03:15:05 PM
Well you've accused Kanga of lying, and he's accused you of being infantile. You also said I was lying when I stated facts on the Fed.Understandable. I think personal slights shouldn't be used in arguments, to be honest, and the same with accusing/name calling. I think that kind of goes for the two of you, though.Maybe this Debate thread is a little too destructive. I thought we were having a friendly debate... I personally was not offended by any of the comments thrown at me.
I'm personally offended by this lie:Don't bother with objective facts. Piotr dismisses as irrelevant them when they run divergent to his point of view.
Can I have an example of me doing to KangaRod what he did to me, please?
Just these kinds of things. Personally I think that calling you infantile or ignorant is worse than you accusing others of lying, but I don't want to get involved in the conflict between the two of you.
I'd like to respectfully suggest that we either:
Delete the thread
Resolve in another thread
Resolve over private messages between you and Kanga.
Cheers.
May 07, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
I'm not reading the prior 7 pages.
Penne noodles, I hate them! Debate!
I'm for Penne. When you have pasta you have so many choices for shape/texture. I find spaghetti boring and usually wrong with ratio of sauce to pasta. Often the pasta drops and can make a bite less desirable as you stab for the same bite again.
Penne provides enough space inside to round up sauce, yet also allow it to be compressed further when picked up with a fork, resulting in better bites, more filling bites and ease of gathering pasta compared to the old stab and twirl for spaghetti.
May 07, 2013, 03:32:55 PM
I believe it was keyeto who said you would never ban/punish someone for going against your opinion, because it would be breaking imtg law back when I called you out for pulling the lying card all the time. I've been following this thread, and I havnt seen kangarods supposed lies, even when you provide supposed truth. You are just (in my opinion) throwing a tantrum. I see no reason for a punishment to befall kanga because of that.Did you miss the part about how they can just as easily uncreate money digitally by increasing the rate at which the loan was paid out, and it's not in fact as you implied, a one way system?
No I didn't, did you miss the point that the rates are at all time low? And that in any case you are talking porkies because the interest on debt has nothing to do with the FACT that FED is printing way more money that it is destroying. The article you claim to be proving that I lied at no point suggests that what I said is false. You LIED that I provide no factual backup for my calling out a lie on yours, AGAIN. I provide factual or logical evidence every time I call out someones lie.
We need to have it settled, mate. I'm sick and tired of your accusations and personal attacks on me. I feel victim of this situation and demand a punishment for KangaRod. 2 weeks of Liar replacing your Boss label. Can we have a judge, please?
Thank you for picking up this case. I cannot agree with your judgement because I find it not logical:
Fact: I was personally called a liar by KangaRod in response to my calling a lie on Xaol's thesis.
Fact: Xaol was not offended by me calling a lie on his thesis.
Fact: My thesis was this: the truth is that physical destruction of paper money is insignificant to the amount of money printed in digital form.
Testimony, believed to be true: I believe I provided links to appropriate pages as to what I mean by the above thesis. I believe my thesis is true.
Testimony, believed to be true: I don't remember calling KangaRod a liar in the past, I did call a lie on certain statements which he presented as true.
The above facts contradict your theory. I'm not having a tantrum, I'm simply following iMtG Law.
May 07, 2013, 03:45:14 PM
I'm not reading the prior 7 pages.
Penne noodles, I hate them! Debate!
I'm for Penne. When you have pasta you have so many choices for shape/texture. I find spaghetti boring and usually wrong with ratio of sauce to pasta. Often the pasta drops and can make a bite less desirable as you stab for the same bite again.
Penne provides enough space inside to round up sauce, yet also allow it to be compressed further when picked up with a fork, resulting in better bites, more filling bites and ease of gathering pasta compared to the old stab and twirl for spaghetti.
Elbow noodles?
love it for goolash.May 07, 2013, 03:46:38 PM
Well you've accused Kanga of lying, and he's accused you of being infantile. You also said I was lying when I stated facts on the Fed.Understandable. I think personal slights shouldn't be used in arguments, to be honest, and the same with accusing/name calling. I think that kind of goes for the two of you, though.Maybe this Debate thread is a little too destructive. I thought we were having a friendly debate... I personally was not offended by any of the comments thrown at me.
I'm personally offended by this lie:Don't bother with objective facts. Piotr dismisses as irrelevant them when they run divergent to his point of view.
Can I have an example of me doing to KangaRod what he did to me, please?
Just these kinds of things. Personally I think that calling you infantile or ignorant is worse than you accusing others of lying, but I don't want to get involved in the conflict between the two of you.
I believe I called your thesis a lie, and defined the thesis that I believe to be true, and then later you said that that you are not offended by this. Are you offended now?
Then KangaRod called me a liar (I don't remember being called infantile though
, assuming he meant good rather than simply insulting me with the word, I assumed that he called a lie on my thesis. He provided a link which in no way whatsoever proves my thesis false, at which point (it took a while to read the article) I assumed that he was simply trying to insult me, hence I called a lie on his thesis that my thesis was false. True or false?
I also called a lie that I'm not bothered with objective facts. I provide this forum and its law as my testimony
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