What's winning FNM?

[Gorzo]

... it would have the land types though...

Only if they reprint the same exact lands, and don't just make new shock lands without the land types as kanga is suggesting.

If it does happen that way, there will be a lot of sad pandas.

[scarsabrex]

... to make farseek and {rangers path} actually have a point.

[Gorzo]

... to make farseek and {rangers path} actually have a point.

Haha ideally yes, and I do hope they reprint the originals, but it does sound like something R&D would do

[JaCe BeLeReN]

... to make farseek and {rangers path} actually have a point.

Haha ideally yes, and I do hope they reprint the originals, but it does sound like something R&D would do

If R&D does that, they will have A LOT of angry magic players and probably lose sales. Why would they want that?

[scarsabrex]

so you're saying they intentionally get rid of {rampant growth} just to mess with us?

[Dudecore]

{Thragtusk} will be in Wolf Run Ramp post rotation. He's in Wolf Run decks around here currently, give wolfrun the juice is needs to beat Delver.

Wolf run post rotation? You do realize that more than 60% of wolf ramp cards are going away right?

{primeval Titan}
{spheres of the sun}
{ink moth nexus}
{glimmer post}
{thrun the last troll}
{solemn simulacrum}
{slag storm}
{inferno Titan} some have it
{rampant growth}
{galvanic blast} easily replaced
{green suns zenith}
{whipflare} SB
{beast within} SB
{combust} SB


I just don't think it will be an archetype, if it is, it won't be nearly as good as the scars version.

We haven't seen any Gruul cards from RtR, and {Kessig Wolf Run} will be a good card in the future, as much as it is now.

And rotation aside, {Thragtusk} is already beating Delver.

[scarsabrex]

gruul is in gatecrash.

[Willthomjr]

Kessig wolf run isn't that great of a card anyways. Most wolf ramp players would rather grab ink moth first and it's main purpose in the deck is to pump inkmoth for an additional way to win.

[Willthomjr]

I just don't see it being a tier 1 deck post rotation. I'd love to see it stick around.

[scarsabrex]

... why do you keep saying basic land keywords? forest mountain island mountain and swamp are all types not keywords.

[scarsabrex]

type... land type, just like creature type, or enchantment and artifact types.

[BlackJester]

Land type of basic land type refers to Plains, Island, yadda yadda. We knew what you meant.

[scarsabrex]

the drawback to shocklands is the shock? what else?

[scarsabrex]

Sorry, perhaps English is not your first language...

There is a cycle of dual lands in every block.
  There produce two colors of mana.
  They are usually considered non-basic lands, without basic land types of them.

What logical reason would they make the Ravnica duals different than every other dual land cycle for the last 6 or 7 years, as well as every other dual land cycle for the ten years before that.

It's possible I am wrong, but I just don't think it makes sense for them from a design perspective to change their pattern. Mechanic has to trump flavor or the game becomes broken.

ok my answer is they are not broken. fastlands from scars are not broken. coreset duals and innistra duals are not broken. zendikar refuges are not broken, shard lands are not broken, search lands are only broken WITH dual types lands. and even then you are losing card variety (arguably a good thing if looking for consistency) and taking a bolt to the face with shock lands.

[Kaleo42]

Reprinting shocklands would allow greater creativity and support of modern since the prefered lands would be more accessible to the masses.

As for standard with how heavy aggro is right now taking the shock woul be a serious question as two shocks would put aggro in a winning position. Currently aggro is extremely powerful and encourages early damage.

I hope we get dual SUBTYPEd lands that are not the shocklands, but this would resituate the powerhouses of modern in such a dramatic way that R & D might not be willing to step out that far this early after the sanctioning of modern.

Hope that helps