Coat of Arms

Started by IhsansShadeTree, June 20, 2012, 01:20:00 PM

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IhsansShadeTree

Wpuld someone please explain to me the proper way to utilize this artifact? Thanks

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Quote from: IhsansShadeTree on June 20, 2012, 01:20:00 PM
Wpuld someone please explain to me the proper way to utilize this artifact? Thanks

Read the oracle text? I'm not sure what you're asking. Basically, it gives all creatures +1/+1 for each other creature that shares a type with it.

EDIT: {Coat of Arms} curly brackets ;o

GoJuDragon

Make a tribal deck...

Imdowd80

Quote from: CbStrad on June 20, 2012, 01:39:35 PM
Run Slivers :3 Or a swarm deck
Slivers get so much Argo at my home deck.

The coat just makes all like creatures (humans, human werewolves) as long as part of them is the same. But be careful it works for your opponent.

BlackJester

Elves, Goblins, Token swarms.

Still not really sure what the original poster is asking and whether it's a Rules question.  :-\

D3g3n

#5
TL;DR: Run tribal or shapeshifters.

Say there are 4 Giants, 2 Goblin Giants, 1 Goblin, and 1 Cleric creature type (Subtype; just an fyi, older artifact creatures are given a subtype in current oracle). With a Coat of Arms in play, each other Giant (4 Giants + 2 Goblin Giants) will get +6 / +6. The Goblins (Goblin and Goblin Giant) gets +3 / +3. That means your Goblin Giants get +9 / +9 since they are of both types. The lone cleric gets no bonus. So in the end, the 4 giants gets +6, 2 Goblin Giants get +9, the one Goblin gets +3, and lone cleric again gets no benefit. Note this refers to all creatures in play; not just that you control.

Gorzo

You want to use a large amount of small, low cost creatures that all share a creature type when using {coat of arms}. White seems to be the best fit with this, humans, soldiers, knights, or even griffins could fit the role. Green has elves that would work great with Coat, maybe beasts would work alternatively. Red has goblins. Black has zombies and vampires. Faeries or merfolk would probably be your blue options.

Tokens are important to consider too.  Lots of cards make soldier tokens, and fit beautifully into a soldier deck. Beasts get a lot of tokens too, and wolves.

scarsabrex

Quote from: D3g3n on June 20, 2012, 03:27:34 PM
TL;DR: Run tribal or shapeshifters.

Say there are 4 Giants, 2 Goblin Giants, 1 Goblin, and 1 Cleric creature type (Subtype; just an fyi, older artifact creatures are given a subtype in current oracle). With a Coat of Arms in play, each other Giant (4 Giants + 2 Goblin Giants) will get +6 / +6. The Goblins (Goblin and Goblin Giant) gets +3 / +3. That means your Goblin Giants get +9 / +9 since they are of both types. The lone cleric gets no bonus. So in the end, the 4 giants gets +6, 2 Goblin Giants get +9, the one Goblin gets +3, and lone cleric again gets no benefit. Note this refers to all creatures in play; not just that you control.

creatures don't benefit from themselves so your numbers are slightly off. solely giants get +5/+5 solely goblins get +2/+2 and the goblin giants get +6/+6. if creatures share 2 of the same type they still onu count once.

Coffee Vampire

There's actually a pretty good example in the reminder text. ;D

{Coat of Arms}

scarsabrex


Gorzo

#10
Also, the goblin giants in this example wouldn't get multiple triggers for sharing more than 1 creature type. The text is "+1/+1 for each creature it shares at least one type with." it'll trigger once for each other goblin, giant or not, then once for each othe non-goblin giant (as goblin giants have already been counted).

If this weren't the case, changelings would trigger to infinity/infinity off of each other, and that would be stupid lol

Edit: never mind, after a re-read, this is exactly what scars was saying. I need to learn how to read again.

IhsansShadeTree

I guess my question should have been: Where does it start, if you have 4 llanowar elves, the first one gets nothing, and the other 3 get the plusses? I have a very evil sliver deck, but have put off putting CoA in it because (and I don't know why) I can't figure out the wording.

Coffee Vampire

Each one benefits from each other one!

So if you have 3 {Llanowar Elves}, every single one gets +2, because they see eachother!

Gorzo

Quote from: IhsansShadeTree on June 21, 2012, 03:35:58 PM
I guess my question should have been: Where does it start, if you have 4 llanowar elves, the first one gets nothing, and the other 3 get the plusses? I have a very evil sliver deck, but have put off putting CoA in it because (and I don't know why) I can't figure out the wording.

They will all benefit, as CV says. In your sliver deck, for example, let's assume that all of your creatures are slivers. With coat of arms out, each sliver in play will get +X/+X, where X is the number of slivers on the battlefield minus 1.

They all see each other, so they all benefit. And the -1 in my "x" example represents how each sliver does not see itself, so you will benefit only from each OTHER sliver.

If you have 7 slivers out, each sliver will have +6/+6.

If you have 100 slivers out, each sliver will be +99/+99.

D3g3n

Thanks Gorzo and Scars for correction.