Phantasmal Image Q:

[Jdogtoocool]

So is it true that if a phantasmal image compies a creature with undying and is targeted by an instant say {tragic slip}, does it really not come back from the graveyard?

If so can somebody explain it clearly

[Poof]

I was under the impression that it does come
Back with a counter and can copy a new creature if u want

[Jdogtoocool]

Yeah that would make sense but the people at my card shop say otherwise

[Poof]

Well they are wrong I'm pretty sure of that

[scarsabrex]

image will undie as intended

[Coffee Vampire]

I'm going to be the devil's advocate here and say the shopowner is right.

The phantasmal is a copy of say, a {Vorapede}. It dies. Now since it is a copy (EXACT SAME...same creature type, name, abilities, etc.), it has the trait of Undying. So one would think that it would come back like a normal undying card. BUT...there is one little thing:

When a card hits the graveyard, it becomes a card. Not a spell, not anything. Just a card. All memory of what it used to be is left in the dust. Including what it was a copy of. So right when the phantasmal image hits the graveyard, BAM! it turns into a regular phantasmal image.

This may be hard to understand, but let's look at something: what if a phantasmal image was cast as a copy of a {Giant Spider}, and someone {Dismember}s it? Is it still a a spider when it is in your graveyard? No, it is once again a phantasmal image card.

What I am saying is that before the undying can trigger, there is no undying effect to trigger anymore because the phantasmal image is not a copy anymore.

Not saying I'm right...but I think that looking at it from a different perspective might be helpful.

Edit: I looked online...this is wrong! But jokes on you if I convinced you! Hahaha

[Jdogtoocool]

Maybe as it sacrifices itself and hits the graveyard it no longer is a copy of the undying and stays in the grave? Idk a buddy of mine hates phantasmal image because of this very reason

[Sagemaster]

He does comeback because he has undying. He dies when he is sacrificed triggering undying and he can come back and copy anything

[Poof]

That's a long explanation coffee unfortunately you're wrong

[Rasser]

Undying says "when it dies" not when it goes to the graveyard don't now if it could come back as a different creature though.

{Phantasmal image}

[Sagemaster]

Undying says "when it dies" not when it goes to the graveyard don't now if it could come back as a different creature though

Yep. And it'll ETB again so you can choose something else to copy

[Coffee Vampire]

That's a long explanation coffee unfortunately you're wrong

Well now it isn't the first time and it won't be the last. Cheers!

[Poof]

400.7d says abilities that trigger when something changes zones can find the object it became in the new zone if it is a public zone

[Poof]

I'm guessing it's like a token hitting the graveyard momentarily before vanishig the image would hit the graveyard as copied creature

[Rasser]

Now is the +1/+1 counter going to target the {phantasmal inage} and kill it anyways