M13 *SPOILERS*

[Maximo]

okay, i think there's a lot of misinformation going around.

I'm not finding any M13 spoilers anywhere at all, are you all sure you're not getting it mixed up with Planechase stuff? And where was it confirmed Bolas was on his way back? If you're once again referencing the image of the 13 between Bolas' horns, that was the announcement for Duels of the Planeswalkers 2013 edition, not M13.

[BlackJester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7mx2uUr6g

Goto 0:28.  She's the only one "officially" spoiled to my knowledge.

[Sagemaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7mx2uUr6g

Goto 0:28.  She's the only one "officially" spoiled to my knowledge.

Who is at 0:28?

[Willthomjr]

I saw liliana in upper right corner

[Leviathan]

http://mtgsalvation.com/magic-2013-m13-spoiler.html

A spoiler list. I trust this because some items were removed when they were found to be Planechase cards.

[Coffee Vampire]

I thought there were no multicolored cards in core sets.

[Dudecore]

No way is {counterspell} coming back. They cried and cried about how OP {mana leak} is, and then reintroduce {counterspell}? Impossible. I think they might have a UU {mana leak}, soft counter for 2 blue. Probably UU, counter target spell unless it's controller pays 2. {Daze}, {Mental Misstep}, {Mana Leak}, {Spell Pierce} are all extinct cards going forward.

[Maximo]

still seems shaky on the Bolas, but i'll hold my i told you so's till the official spoilers.

[Leviathan]

No way is {counterspell} coming back. They cried and cried about how OP {mana leak} is, and then reintroduce {counterspell}? Impossible. I think they might have a UU {mana leak}, soft counter for 2 blue. Probably UU, counter target spell unless it's controller pays 2. {Daze}, {Mental Misstep}, {Mana Leak}, {Spell Pierce} are all extinct cards going forward.

I think the "brokeness" of {Mana Leak} is because of how easy it is to splash and that Standard play is pretty much decided by turn 5. Almost any spell in that time is {Mana Leak} fodder. {Counterspell} is a little different because it's (essentially) the same effect just harder to splash. Having turn two a {Swamp} and {Island} is a strong turn 2 setup because of the flexibility of {Mana Leak} and {Go for the Throat}. Make it {Counterspell} instead and {Swamp}/{Island} setup loses it's potential by half.

[BlackJester]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7mx2uUr6g

Goto 0:28.  She's the only one "officially" spoiled to my knowledge.

Who is at 0:28?

The aforementioned {Xathrid Gorgon}.

[BlackJester]

Herein lies spoilers an spoiler discussion for M13.

[Leviathan]

still seems shaky on the Bolas, but i'll hold my i told you so's till the official spoilers.

Always objective... Good quality to have.

[Dudecore]

No way is {counterspell} coming back. They cried and cried about how OP {mana leak} is, and then reintroduce {counterspell}? Impossible. I think they might have a UU {mana leak}, soft counter for 2 blue. Probably UU, counter target spell unless it's controller pays 2. {Daze}, {Mental Misstep}, {Mana Leak}, {Spell Pierce} are all extinct cards going forward.

I think the "brokeness" of {Mana Leak} is because of how easy it is to splash and that Standard play is pretty much decided by turn 5. Almost any spell in that time is {Mana Leak} fodder. {Counterspell} is a little different because it's (essentially) the same effect just harder to splash. Having turn two a {Swamp} and {Island} is a strong turn 2 setup because of the flexibility of {Mana Leak} and {Go for the Throat}. Make it {Counterspell} instead and {Swamp}/{Island} setup loses it's potential by half.

{Counterspell} will never be printed again. Mark it down, tell everyone. If {Mana Leak} is a problem, a hard counter for 2? Splash or not, everyone will cry that blue has a counter, period. It would buff {Snapcaster Mage}. The trade value on {counterspell} is insane, UU and a card to stop anything.

I think a {Mana Leak} for UU is more apt, it would prevent splashing, and also be a soft counter. A hard counter for UU is too OP. considering a 1UU {dissipate} exists, a UU would strictly be better.

[Leviathan]

No way is {counterspell} coming back. They cried and cried about how OP {mana leak} is, and then reintroduce {counterspell}? Impossible. I think they might have a UU {mana leak}, soft counter for 2 blue. Probably UU, counter target spell unless it's controller pays 2. {Daze}, {Mental Misstep}, {Mana Leak}, {Spell Pierce} are all extinct cards going forward.

I think the "brokeness" of {Mana Leak} is because of how easy it is to splash and that Standard play is pretty much decided by turn 5. Almost any spell in that time is {Mana Leak} fodder. {Counterspell} is a little different because it's (essentially) the same effect just harder to splash. Having turn two a {Swamp} and {Island} is a strong turn 2 setup because of the flexibility of {Mana Leak} and {Go for the Throat}. Make it {Counterspell} instead and {Swamp}/{Island} setup loses it's potential by half.

{Counterspell} will never be printed again. Mark it down, tell everyone. If {Mana Leak} is a problem, a hard counter for 2? Splash or not, everyone will cry that blue has a counter, period. It would buff {Snapcaster Mage}. The trade value on {counterspell} is insane, UU and a card to stop anything.

I think a {Mana Leak} for UU is more apt, it would prevent splashing, and also be a soft counter. A hard counter for UU is too OP. considering a 1UU {dissipate} exists, a UU would strictly be better.

You are not wrong and I don't disagree with you. However I'll stat open minded to the notion. Trust me I don't want to see it either. For now I'm just going to play the waiting game.

[Dudecore]

We've only begun to see the ramifications of a G deck hoser ({revenge of the hunted}). IMO they need to have a Miracle hoser if they can. It's not only Revenge, but {blessings of nature}, {thunderous wrath}, {terminus} and {vanishment}. {Cavern of Souls} merely made {Snapcaster Mage} work harder, it can still Flash {vapor snag}, {Midnight Haunting}, {Timely Reinforcements}, {ponder} and {gitaxian probe}.

I think that WotC would be comfortable never printing another functional blue counter. It'd be more in league with {Dungeon Geists} or something that was more creature stall.