Vexing devil/unhallowed pact

Started by Chaosquirrel, May 09, 2012, 10:33:47 PM

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Chaosquirrel

If you cast{vexing devil} an opponent decides to take the damage. If u could cast it as an instant could you get him back by enchanting it with { unhallowed pact} or by giving it undying in response before u sac it.

BadLuckIrish

Once they decide to take the damage the devil is dead. A card has to fully resolve from a stack i have to cast it before they decide

Poof

You could give it undying before they decide to take damage or not but at that point I doubt they would take the damage

Chaosquirrel

It says when he enters the battle field they take the damage or u sac him so if u are able to sac him he must have resolved u would just be casting in response to a triggered ability. Yes?

scarsabrex

he enters,effect triggers. you may cast or activate instant speed stuff to go on the stack. if you do stuff resolves first then the trigger. if you don't resolve the trigger. only when the trigger is resolving is when the choice to take the damage and sac the devil can be made.

CajunJynx

{Cloud shift} that devil, devil's love {cloud shift}.

BlackJester

Quote from: CajunJynx on May 10, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
{Cloud shift} that devil, devil's love {cloud shift}.
like Piotr said, blinking Sexy Devil is giving you opponents a free {Dismember}.

CajunJynx

You can't cloud shift in response to the person taking the damage? Judge allowed it last night. Since both go on the stack.

BlackJester

Quote from: CajunJynx on May 10, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
You can't cloud shift in response to the person taking the damage? Judge allowed it last night. Since both go on the stack.
The choice goes on the stack, not the damage. Why would they take damage if the creature has already left play?

BlackJester

Put it this way, you cast Sexy, putting the EtB on the stack. You respond with {Cloudshift}. The devil leaves and comes back putting a second ETB on the stack. The first ETB is irrelevant, since the devil it refers to is gone (blinking makes the creature look like a new creature). For the second ETB which is top of the stack, is the original choice. If they take the damage you sac the devil. Why would they choose to take the damage from the first ETB? ???  If they don't take the damage from the second ETB, the devil stays, and they can decline to take the damage from the first ETB no matter what they do.
/hatin'

BlackJester

Long story short, you've just wasted {Cloudshift} to accomplish nothing.

CajunJynx

Always a hater, I didn't think it worked like that either, honestly.

scarsabrex

Quote from: CajunJynx on May 10, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
{Cloud shift} that devil, devil's love {cloud shift}.

you just thought this though right?

CajunJynx

Quote from: scarsabrex on May 10, 2012, 12:42:58 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on May 10, 2012, 11:46:44 AM
{Cloud shift} that devil, devil's love {cloud shift}.

you just thought this though right?
No, saw something similar yesterday, apparently judge was wrong.

BlackJester

Quote from: CajunJynx on May 10, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Always a hater, I didn't think it worked like that either, honestly.

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