Lost my mind

[JaCe BeLeReN]

What happens if {opalescense} and {Humility} come into play at the same time?

[Greg54js]

IMO: the enchantments would become creatures with the ability of the enchantment. Then humility takes effect and causes them to lose the enchantments ability and become 1/1 they are still enchantment creatures I believe

[JaCe BeLeReN]

But if {Humility} loses it ability doesn't it get it's abilities back but then it loses them again. Jester, HELP!!!

[Poof]

I would say humility is a 1/1 creature that's still an enchantment I don't think it being an enchantment counts as one of the creatures abilities

[BadLuckIrish]

its more of the fact that {humilty} will cause {opalescense} to stop being a creature and turn into a enchantment. Id call it quits there.

[scarsabrex]

its more of the fact that {humilty} will cause {opalescense} to stop being a creature and turn into a enchantment. Id call it quits there.

opalescence won't become a creature first of all regardless of whether humility is there unless another opalescence or similar effect is there. humility will be a 1/1 creature.

[BlackJester]

its more of the fact that {humilty} will cause {opalescense} to stop being a creature and turn into a enchantment. Id call it quits there.

{Opalescense} won't be a creature. The question is "Will being a creature cause {Humility} to lose its own ability?".
My answer is no, for the layering reasons I said earlier.

Oops!  I didn't give the layering reasons. (I could swear I hit 'Post'! )

There is a page worth of description on the interaction between these two. BRB

[BlackJester]

Okay, we're going to have to bust out some heavy duty rules, including continuous abilities and time stamping.

613.6g If two or more objects would receive a timestamp simultaneously, such as by entering a zone simultaneously or becoming attached simultaneously, the active player determines their timestamp order at that time.

[BlackJester]

tl;dr {Opalescense} first, {Humility} = 1/1,
{Humility} first, {Humility} = 4/4

This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence: The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers.  The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before it's finished applying.

So if Opalescence and Humility are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility becomes a creature that is still an enchantment. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility loses its ability. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4. (Opalescence).  Humility becomes 1/1 (Humility).

But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility becomes a creature that is still an enchantment (Opalescence). Layer 6:  Humility loses its ability (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 (Humility).  Humility becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).

Like a Boss!

[scarsabrex]

so timestamps matter?

[Poof]

So when humility becomes a creature the enchantment effect is it's ability now?

[JaCe BeLeReN]

So if humility is first it's a 4/4 if opalescense is first, humility is a 1/1.

Does that mean if humility entered first, it affects nothing, and if opalescense entered first it affects everything?

[BlackJester]

So when humility becomes a creature the enchantment effect is it's ability now?

Nearly all words written in the text box of a permanent are its abilities.

[BlackJester]

so timestamps matter?

Yes.

[BlackJester]

So if humility is first it's a 4/4 if opalescense is first, humility is a 1/1.

Does that mean if humility entered first, it affects nothing, and if opalescense entered first it affects everything?

{Humility} will still remove its abilitiy regardless of timestamping.  The rest is just P/T.

Edit: it will also remove all abilities from all creatures too.