Vengeful Archon Fog

[Chaosquirrel]

If you cast {fog} the activate {vengeful Archon} ability can u redirect a chunk of the damage the prevent the rest all together?

[Poof]

No

[KulrathKnight]

Yes. If you cast the {Fog} and respond by using the arcon's ability, you can.

[Greg54js]

Yes. If you cast the {Fog} and respond by using the arcon's ability, you can.

This^^

Its a stack thing. The archons ability is put on the stack last so it resolves first then fog triggers preventing the rest

[Poof]

I don't see how you guys are doing this they would both have to resolve before combat damage is dealt at that point fog prevents all damage

[Fenster]

I don't see how you guys are doing this they would both have to resolve before combat damage is dealt at that point fog prevents all damage

Damage from the Archon is not combat damage.

[Poof]

They both will resolve before combat damage so stack would not matter once fog resolves it's  in effect till end of turn

[BadLuckIrish]

I think what he means poof is saybu have 13 damage coming your way. 1- Cast fog. 2- Pay X. X = 8. the archon negates 8 combat damage and the oppenent take 8 life. Then fog comes in and negates the other 5 damage

[Poof]

Also this ruling also reinforces what I'm trying to say both abilities will be in effect together and I think fog just makes the archons damage prevention redundant.

8/15/2010   If Vengeful Archon's ability doesn't prevent any damage (perhaps because a different prevention effect is applied to the damage that would be dealt to you, or because the damage is unpreventable), Vengeful Archon won't deal any damage itself.

[Poof]

And no badluck that is not what I'm trying to say fog doesn't come in after vengeful archon it's already in effect at the same time.  They both will resolve before combat damage is dealt and will both be in effect together stacking them differently won't matter.

What I am trying to say is fog damage prevention overrules archons causing no damage to be dealt to opponent.  That's my take on it maybe I'm wrong.  But I think archon will not have a chance to prevent any combat damage because fog already prevents any from being dealt.

[Greg54js]

Okay so I looked at CR:615 and poof is right. They both have to happen at the same time regardless of how they were stacked.

[BadLuckIrish]

Well Poof. I was wrong. And i apologise.

[BlackJester]

BlackJester says this works. Here's why:

616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).

[Greg54js]

BlackJester says this works. Here's why:

616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).

Oh okay. Guess I need to familiarize myself with the rule book

[Poof]

Even that ruling says choose one to apply meaning u can't use both prevention effects. I still don't think it works.